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the 48.792 has 790 hp
as can be read in the book "Felbermayr" by Michael Müller
still Europes number 1 indeed
and GVW is 350 Tons
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I would love someone to make a film of these monsters at work. Great pictures,thanks for sharing Christian. 
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Christian wrote:Remko
the 48.792 has 790 hp
as can be read in the book "Felbermayr" by Michael Müller
still Europes number 1 indeed
and GVW is 350 Tons Not that I doubt you're knowledge, but Hadel.net does say this: "Der erste Motor, der mit 790 PS auch dem Typenschild entsprach, ist später durch den leistungsstärkeren ersetzt worden."I do have Michael Müller's book though, and know that you mention it, I do remember reading that the truck doesn't have 1,000 hp. If this is not so, then where do these stories come from? Wishful thinking perhaps...  Broken Piston wrote:I would love someone to make a film of these monsters at work. Great pictures,thanks for sharing Christian. Commercial Motor first drive of Tractomas @ Youtube.com
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the 48.792 has a MAN engine type D2840 with 22 liters
this engine also exists in several other power configurations with higher hp ratings. however, in the 48.792 its at 790 hp
btw this truck is currently being rebuilt at Felbermayr and receives a high roof cab
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Patgxo wrote:Christian wrote: These TR88 D75 feature a Caterpillar C27 engine with 950 hp making them the current record holder for the most poneys under a on-road HH truck hood
You say in your title : "the world most powerful on road heavy haulage trucks ", yes except the Kenworth 1000 H.P made by fontaine in Alabama for Heavy Moving & Rigging Co, powered with Caterpillar engine V12 twin turbo 1000 hp  I am not certain where your information on this KW came from, but I do know that Fontaine did not build this. The Truck belongs to Earl Sutton, owner of American Heavy Moving and Rigging in Chino California. The business, or persons who were contracted to build this truck, failed to complete the build, and legal action had to be taken to have the truck, and funds released back to Earl. American actually completed the majority of the truck in thier shop. I actually have proof of this, but am unable to locate the photos. In July of 1994, myself, my father, and a couple of my fathers coworkers were working a job with American, and visited thier shop. While at thier shop, we have photos that were taken of us standing next to this truck before it was completed. If I recall, at the time of our visit, the engine and cooling system were not fully installed, and the body work was still not completed. As for having 1000 horse, that is not true either. American primarily uses house moving dollies. These dollies can very easily be pulled out of place under a load if they are stuck in the mud, get hung on curbs, or so on. It was decided that 1000 horse was too much, and would lead to more problems than it was worth. The engine was turned back to 800. If I can locate the photos of the truck during construction, I will post them. American's Website- http://www.american-heavy-moving.com/
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GregP wrote:Patgxo wrote:Christian wrote: These TR88 D75 feature a Caterpillar C27 engine with 950 hp making them the current record holder for the most poneys under a on-road HH truck hood
You say in your title : "the world most powerful on road heavy haulage trucks ", yes except the Kenworth 1000 H.P made by fontaine in Alabama for Heavy Moving & Rigging Co, powered with Caterpillar engine V12 twin turbo 1000 hp I am not certain where your information on this KW came from, but I do know that Fontaine did not build this. The Truck belongs to Earl Sutton, owner of American Heavy Moving and Rigging in Chino California. The business, or persons who were contracted to build this truck, failed to complete the build, and legal action had to be taken to have the truck, and funds released back to Earl. American actually completed the majority of the truck in thier shop. I actually have proof of this, but am unable to locate the photos. In July of 1994, myself, my father, and a couple of my fathers coworkers were working a job with American, and visited thier shop. While at thier shop, we have photos that were taken of us standing next to this truck before it was completed. If I recall, at the time of our visit, the engine and cooling system were not fully installed, and the body work was still not completed. As for having 1000 horse, that is not true either. American primarily uses house moving dollies. These dollies can very easily be pulled out of place under a load if they are stuck in the mud, get hung on curbs, or so on. It was decided that 1000 horse was too much, and would lead to more problems than it was worth. The engine was turned back to 800. If I can locate the photos of the truck during construction, I will post them. American's Website- http://www.american-heavy-moving.com/ Please do post any photos you can of this truck, and a big thanks for that bit of historical info!
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Over the years many tractors have been built that develop more than 1,000 hp, some much more. And some have been used as on-highway units, but for all out purpose built factory trucks, Christian is 100% correct that the Tractomas for Rotran are the worlds most powerful all around. Drawbar pull, torque ratings, etc. The next would have been the Rotran Pacifics that the Tractomas have mostly replaced. I know Dennis has had at least one or two of the big Pacifics re-built and put right back to work. Hayes built some very large "Road Locomotives" also, but were not in the same class as the Tractomas.
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TimT wrote:Over the years many tractors have been built that develop more than 1,000 hp, some much more. And some have been used as on-highway units, but for all out purpose built factory trucks, Christian is 100% correct that the Tractomas for Rotran are the worlds most powerful all around. Drawbar pull, torque ratings, etc. The next would have been the Rotran Pacifics that the Tractomas have mostly replaced. I know Dennis has had at least one or two of the big Pacifics re-built and put right back to work. Hayes built some very large "Road Locomotives" also, but were not in the same class as the Tractomas. one Pacific is now completely rebuilt, the second is in the works right now there are more Tractomas to come in the coming years, as well as more large Nicolas girder bridge trailers in 1982 iraqi company Gestrans ordered 12 Tractomas. right now Rotran owns 12 as well, but will surely be number one tractomas owner next year.
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GregP wrote:
I am not certain where your information on this KW came from, but I do know that Fontaine did not build this.
The Truck belongs to Earl Sutton, owner of American Heavy Moving and Rigging in Chino California. The business, or persons who were contracted to build this truck, failed to complete the build, and legal action had to be taken to have the truck, and funds released back to Earl. American actually completed the majority of the truck in thier shop. I actually have proof of this, but am unable to locate the photos. In July of 1994, myself, my father, and a couple of my fathers coworkers were working a job with American, and visited thier shop. While at thier shop, we have photos that were taken of us standing next to this truck before it was completed. If I recall, at the time of our visit, the engine and cooling system were not fully installed, and the body work was still not completed. As for having 1000 horse, that is not true either. American primarily uses house moving dollies. These dollies can very easily be pulled out of place under a load if they are stuck in the mud, get hung on curbs, or so on. It was decided that 1000 horse was too much, and would lead to more problems than it was worth. The engine was turned back to 800. If I can locate the photos of the truck during construction, I will post them.
@:Greg P I'm not a specialist on this truck.What I know about this truck, I read it on an article of this Italian magazine : http://www.pesanti.it/index_inglese.asp?LINGUA=INGOn all photos which I have see ,this tractor towed heavy loads and rarely ( to say almost never ) it towed house moving dollies ... But you know better this truck than me,if you have any photos they are welcome Pat
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American builds most of thier own equipment, to say this truck rarely pulls house moving dollies is far from the truth. It nearly pulls them all of the time. All of the large transporters that American has are all beams, and transfer beams that are sitting on house moving dollies. Take a look at American's website, and also Mark Waymans photo. The transporters you see is built on house moving dollies. I am not a specialist on the truck either, but as I said, I was working on a job with American, and the owner, Earl, at the time of the trucks construction. Fontaine built the chassis, suspension, and some of the body work. The drivetrain was all mounted, but the cooling system, and several other key systems on the truck were not completed. Fontaine did build part of the truck, but did not complete it. I am certain that Earl did not want to drag thier name through the mud for the arcticle. This photo is from Mark Wayman's photo collection on www.hankstruckpictures.com Also, for those who don't know. Fontaine was the US dealer for Nicolas trailers that the time. I am certain that Fontaine prbably enlisted help from Nicolas for thise build. I have no evidence of this, but with that working relationship, it could be the truth. Fontaine Specialized has sold to Liddell, and Liddell now carries the Nicolas dealership.
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I never say that this truck rarely pulls house moving, I SAY: " on all photos which I have see this KW towed heavy loads and rarely house moving " !! as your photo and the photos of Mark Wayman show it!
I looked on the American Heavy Moving& Co site, and I see only this KW 1000 hp towing heavy loads( big transformator for example )and not house movies ,the only pics of truck who tow a house is an ordinary KW and not the 1000 hp .
But if you have photos proving the opposite ,post it ,you will me a favour !!!
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Patgxo wrote:I never say that this truck rarely pulls house moving, I SAY: " on all photos which I have see this KW towed heavy loads and rarely house moving " !! as your photo and the photos of Mark Wayman show it!
I looked on the American Heavy Moving& Co site, and I see only this KW 1000 hp towing heavy loads and not house movies (the only pics of truck who tow a house is an ordinary KW and not the 1000 hp )
But if you have photos proving the opposite ,post it ,you will me a favour !!! Yeah I'd have to say that on their site, the two or three pics they have of houses being moved, don't show the truck. But in the pics where some extremely large items were being moved, there's the truck. Though I do get what you're saying GregP about the type of components that are being used to suspend/carry their loads. However, wouldn't a series of dollies work just as well as other trailers, if they were properly placed and tied together, even if they are 'house moving dollies'? Chris
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Gentlemen, Please read GregP's posts with care. He is not saying that they move houses, he is saying that they utilize house moving "dollies". The wheel and tire assemblies under their beam trailers are house moving "dollies". Randy M. Smolenack RMSmodels@aol.comrandy.m.smolenack@us.army.mil
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RMS Models wrote:Gentlemen, Please read GregP's posts with care. He is not saying that they move houses, he is saying that they utilize house moving "dollies". The wheel and tire assemblies under their beam trailers are house moving "dollies". Randy M. Smolenack RMSmodels@aol.comrandy.m.smolenack@us.army.mil OK,I understand :may be that I'm making a mistake with the translation ,sorry isn't easy for me principaly with technical words
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a Cutter wrote:Patgxo wrote:I never say that this truck rarely pulls house moving, I SAY: " on all photos which I have see this KW towed heavy loads and rarely house moving " !! as your photo and the photos of Mark Wayman show it!
I looked on the American Heavy Moving& Co site, and I see only this KW 1000 hp towing heavy loads and not house movies (the only pics of truck who tow a house is an ordinary KW and not the 1000 hp )
But if you have photos proving the opposite ,post it ,you will me a favour !!! Yeah I'd have to say that on their site, the two or three pics they have of houses being moved, don't show the truck. But in the pics where some extremely large items were being moved, there's the truck.
Though I do get what you're saying GregP about the type of components that are being used to suspend/carry their loads.
However, wouldn't a series of dollies work just as well as other trailers, if they were properly placed and tied together, even if they are 'house moving dollies'?
Chris Randy please read my post closer too! I thought I was clearly acknowledging what he was stating.
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a Cutter, Please look at the times of our posts. We were typing at the same time. Randy M. Smolenack RMSmodels@aol.comrandy.m.smolenack@us.army.mil
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