Another website has the P&H 4100 and L1850 listed as "Joy Global"

Has anyone heard of Joy Global? Is that a new manufacturer that purchased the rights to the models? What am I missing here?

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Ah! Thanks for the info. That makes more sense now.

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Since they bought LeT the branding has changed over to Joy-Global from the usual P&H Mine Pro.

Since they Now deal with LeT, Wajax is no longer here.

Sucks to be a P&H mechanic I guess Ha Ha Ha.

There has been much consolidation in the mining equipment sector.

The Joy name comes from the Joy air compressor business and was a competitor in underground mining equipment and drills. They at one time were one of the big three air compressor manufacturers in the United States. They did some restricting and even sold to other investors their portable compressor business and the Sullivan name which was a compressor manufacturer that I believe they had earlier acquired. Note, this Sullivan is not to be confused with today's Sullair though there are common personnel running through all three of these entities.

While Bucyrus had years ago its construction crane business, mining shovel business and drill businesses and then entered into the hydraulic excavator business for both construction and mining, Joy only had compressors and some drills and underground mining. Likewise P&H only had construction cranes and mining shovels. P&H did manage to sell its construction crane business as a going manufacturing business to Century II for hydraulics and Kobe Steel who had been their Asian licensee for lattice machines. Century II imported from Kobe their lattice machines.
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This left P&H looking more like the continuing Bucyrus. Then the continuing Joy who made drills and underground mining equipment after exiting portions of its compressor business though the purchase of P&H was able to make itself into a true competitor to Bucyrus

Through an acquisition, Terex had acquired O&K who was a competitor to Liebherr and Hitiachi mining operations. When Terex need to reduce debt to survive, they sold O&K to Bucyrus who had not had the success in developing successful competing hydraulic machines to P&H let alone to Liebherr and Hitiachi. Cat who had bid on O&K later acquired all of Bucyrus though at the moment they may be second thing that one.

An aside is the that the Euclid/Terex operation which at one time was solely owned by GM was divided and the truck business spun off, through a bankruptcy Hitachi acquired the Euclid business and hence the source of their mining truck business.

I found out when I just bought the Letourneau book. Seems strange to have P and H decal on a Letourneau loader. Eric did a nice job on the loaders history.