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Quinella
Posted: Sunday, August 20, 2017 10:50:34 PM

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Let's rename this hobby to plastic models with some diecast parts. Case in point is this ridiculous model, the CAT CT680 truck by Tonkin or WSI that have recently been flooding the market. I am guilty of selling these things too. Without question these are the worst diecast trucks ever made in 1:50 scale. They look great, don't they? Get your hands on one and you'll be screaming bloody murder at the quality. I sold some mint in box without ever removing one. Then I started mixing and matching colors. That's when I got my hands on some. They are worthless. The plastic is so cheap if you breath on it hard enough, it will break. Mirrors, steps, mudflaps, visors, grab bars, anything plastic. Some parts just fall off as if they were never glued. For anyone who bought these from me, I am sorry. We all deserve better than this. And the prices on these are totally absurd. There is no way this truck model should cost over $25.00. Yet you are paying your hard earned money for these, as high as $149.99. That is profoundly wrong on the part of the manufacturer, the distributors, the wholesalers, and the retailers. I don't care if I am upsetting anyone. If you earn $30.00 an hour in your job, you will work three to five hours to pay for this JUNK. DON'T do it. I thought First Gear had become a junk maker in trucks and Tonkin has always sold junk. But this takes the cake. WSI makes beautiful trucks. But their trucks can be cheaply made too. Alan Smith Models, Conrad, and Corgi used to have the only great trucks in town. Then we all demanded more detail. And look what we got. I still love Conrad, Smith, and Corgi. I love them because they are sturdy. If you want detail, customize them. Chuck, it's too bad that TWH went out of business, and Steel City. Their trucks and custom parts were better than WSI. Sorry if I upset your apple cart. Any other CAT CT680s that I sell on Ebay will start at one cent. CAW
Cubanb343
Posted: Sunday, August 20, 2017 11:55:23 PM

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Yes yes yes , they look decent but are cheaply made and don't belong next to a rogers trailer
logmax7000
Posted: Monday, August 21, 2017 1:56:33 AM

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Geez, I was thinking about getting one... glad I didn't. I'm not really sure, but did WSI continue making the truck after Tonkin lost the Cat license?
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Posted: Monday, August 21, 2017 2:06:34 AM
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logmax7000 wrote:
Geez, I was thinking about getting one... glad I didn't. I'm not really sure, but did WSI continue making the truck after Tonkin lost the Cat license? Confused


I think that WSI purchased Tonkin stock and parts after Tonkin lost the Cat license.
Cat345bl
Posted: Monday, August 21, 2017 11:45:26 PM
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Great post Quinella, this also applies to a lot of construction diecast models too, especially Universal Hobbies who makes absolute junk. I have recently made the conscious decision only to collect Conrad, and Pre-China NZG (back when they where still made in Germany), Joal and Aprpa Construction Equipment and Truck Models. China will never come close to replicating the quality, and workmanship of model makers in countries including Germany, Japan, Spain, France, USA, etc. Yes Chinese models are very detailed but they are equally fragile. Detail alone does not equal value in my eyes. Plus German manufactures also have the capability to make detailed fully functional models (if you do not believe me look up NZG's Kaelble SL14B and Conrad's Vogele Super 3000-2). I wish Conrad too would do more North American trucks but most of the ones they have made in the past have been commissioned by the assistance of North American Distributors such as Roy Ferguson. Thanks for the heads up, I will not buying any of the CT680 models.

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P&HFrictionlattice
Posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 4:55:38 AM

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Just looking at the pictures you can tell the Cat trucks are completely garbage !!!! In my opinion nothing comes close to the sword trucks so i hope wsi continues sword quality when remaking sword models !!
kokosing Const Co
Posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:40:02 PM

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I bought an orange one to match the small orange fleet I have, what a hunk of junk. Has anyone actually compared these side by side to the KW and Macks? Either the CT680 is out of scale because it's huge next to them or it is that much bigger in real life.
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Posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 1:50:41 PM
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Tom,
It looks like 1/4 scale next to other trucks.
Quinella
Posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 2:53:38 PM

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kokosing Const Co wrote:
I bought an orange one to match the small orange fleet I have, what a hunk of junk. Has anyone actually compared these side by side to the KW and Macks? Either the CT680 is out of scale because it's huge next to them or it is that much bigger in real life.


Kokosing: What KW and Mack are you comparing this to? If they are Tonkin models, then they wouldn't be the same. Though these CAT CT680s are made by Tonkin, they are 1:50th scale, not the usual 1:53rd. They were made to be used with 1:50 trailers. WSI decided to use them with Rogers trailers. WSI bought the Tonkins after they lost their CAT license I heard. Anyhow, they do fit with the Rogers. It's just that they are nowhere near the quality of the SWORD/WSI Petes, Macks, or hopefully the new KWs coming out. I assume they were a filler release to hold us over until the KW T800s come out. They should have retailed at about $125.00, most of that price attributable to the Rogers trailers. I pulled one out of the box the other day and found that the grab handles on the stacks are not glued in. The hood mirrors are the most brittle and break if you look at them hard. Then the steps fall off in a breeze. Heck New Ray makes better quality than this. If you must have one of these, go to Ebay and buy it for $29.99. Don't pay a nickel more. Sorry to rant. I am incensed at myself for falling for these. CAW
kokosing Const Co
Posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:59:13 PM

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Q, comparing them to the Sword/TWH trucks. This picture doesn't do it justice, it's the only one I have on hand right now with all my stuff packed away



As you can see both my front mirrors are busted off and the drivers side mirror is crooked as F.
Quinella
Posted: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 11:05:22 PM

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Look at this new truck from China. Gee, I wonder what kind of truck it's supposed to be????

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kaidiwei-Construction-Equipment-Motor-Homes-Car-1-50-Diecast-Vehicles-Model-Toy-/122663568619?hash=item1c8f5184eb:g:Q78AAOSwAYJZh8Ul
JoeE
Posted: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 6:19:51 AM

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Quinella wrote:
Look at this new truck from China. Gee, I wonder what kind of truck it's supposed to be????

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Kaidiwei-Construction-Equipment-Motor-Homes-Car-1-50-Diecast-Vehicles-Model-Toy-/122663568619?hash=item1c8f5184eb:g:Q78AAOSwAYJZh8Ul


Definitely a bad copy of an MP Mack it looks like.

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Posted: Wednesday, August 23, 2017 9:42:36 AM

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Tonkin's use of the brittle plastic also plagued the Linkbelt TCC750 tracked crane as the mirrors on that were as delicate as a faberge egg. I used a micro drill to create a hole in the back of the mirror and the base and then bent a sewing needle (using jewellery bending pliers) to match the original support arm to create a more robust component and finally painted to match. It is disheartening having to do repair work on expensive, but sub par quality models. Tonkin certainly ventured into some interesting models and they added some unique details, but typically the overall model would be deficient in several aspects.

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maxcavator
Posted: Thursday, August 24, 2017 12:01:05 PM
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There is a lot of that in this hobby. I call it good intentions, but poor execution. UH for example is loaded with detail and good intentions but their execution leaves a lot to be desired.
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Posted: Thursday, August 24, 2017 1:27:45 PM

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maxcavator wrote:
There is a lot of that in this hobby. I call it good intentions, but poor execution. UH for example is loaded with detail and good intentions but their execution leaves a lot to be desired.


Good point. Tonkin has a long history of this problem. Reading between the lines I would say they probably lost their shirt getting out of the Cat business.
Exkvate3140
Posted: Thursday, August 24, 2017 2:20:59 PM
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Quinella, I responded to a post (Tonkin Cat CT 680) back in February of this year which mentions everything you commented on in your opening monologue. You must have still been recovering from New Years Eve and missed it, could have saved you some money 😄. In full agreement that these toy trucks are for kids and not collectors. The Norscot Cat dump trucks at least have an opening hood with not a bad detail of the engine. These toy trucks do not even remotely compare to the Sword or Sword/WSI models.
JTL
Posted: Saturday, August 26, 2017 1:03:01 AM

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This is some funny stuff. Everyone wants a scale model to look just like the real deal. Well. Everything in real life these days is made out of plastic, fiberglass, or a recycled pop can. Guess what, that's what they built!
International, who let Cat copy their trucks and build a even bigger pile of mess than Navistar could have dreamt up, has always had a cab big enough to bring your whole family to work with you.
From the few times I've seen a Cat truck parked next to a wide hood, or a regular hood T800 or a W900 or a 357 Petercar in real life, the Catistar is quite a bit larger in cab and body size. The Mack Granite looks like a Matchbox Car in the parking lot compared to any of them.
In my own honest opinion the only thing uglier, more cheaply made or just plain stupid looking than a Catistar truck is a Mack Titan or a Volvo!

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ITmachine
Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 12:14:38 PM

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The Cats are bigger trucks. The 660 fifth wheel sits about 8 inches higher than all of the other trucks at work, plus you cant reach the top of the hood when you wash it. I'll try to get a side by side pic this week. On another note, the cab interior is incredibly cramped for the size of the truck. Quality control is an issue on the real trucks too. They got a 680 with 3000 miles on it, has a problem with sending the right turn signal out to the trailer. all blinkers work but that one. Bad connection somewhere that they can't find yet. Also the mirror signal will flash on its own on the drivers side.
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Posted: Sunday, August 27, 2017 1:52:10 PM
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A scale model is supposed to look like the real deal otherwise it is a toy.
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