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Quinella
Posted: Wednesday, July 17, 2019 4:45:31 PM

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This is quite a rig. I thought the term "Michigan train" meant that there were multiple trailers. Anyway, this is a great old photo and history of the Mack F700 series. CAW

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MACK-TRUCKS-1973-F-700-REFINERS-TRANSPORT-11-Axle-MICHIGAN-TRAIN-8x10-B-W-Photo/163538635184?hash=item2613a989b0:g:5mEAAOSwahJciUlm
Exkvate3140
Posted: Thursday, July 18, 2019 11:11:56 PM
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Q, good find with the picture and a nice little history of the Mack F700. You should pull out one of the many Tekno Mack F700’s that are still boxed underneath your bed and make a day cab out of it and put it under one of your Fruehauf triple axle dump trailers, that would be a killer piece, especially if the dump trailer was posed in the dumping position. Oh wait wouldn’t you need a telescopic piston for that pose.
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Quinella
Posted: Sunday, July 21, 2019 12:35:48 AM

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Exkvate3140 wrote:
Q, good find with the picture and a nice little history of the Mack F700. You should pull out one of the many Tekno Mack F700’s that are still boxed underneath your bed and make a day cab out of it and put it under one of your Fruehauf triple axle dump trailers, that would be a killer piece, especially if the dump trailer was posed in the dumping position. Oh wait wouldn’t you need a telescopic piston for that pose.
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You are such a nitwitt. Will someone smart(obviously that excludes anyone in Scituate) please tell me if that trailer in the picture qualifies this as a "Michigan Train"?
Exkvate3140
Posted: Sunday, July 21, 2019 3:04:29 AM
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Yeah Q what about you making a day cab, that would be impressive.
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GuyM
Posted: Monday, July 22, 2019 3:07:58 AM
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Craig,

The Mack + tanker pictured on the Ebay sale is referred in all websites as a "Michigan Train".
I'm not a specialist of trucks US legislation but the 3-axle tractor + 8-rigid axle semi-trailer arrangement is very specific of the Michigan State. I read somewhere that axles 1,2, 7 and 8 of the semi could be lifted to reduce wear in sharp road turns. Another similar example:



The most common alternative which is made of a shorter semi-trailer + trailer; it has the same overall number of axles:



To complement these 2 pictures, a link to the Michigan State road axle and weights legislation: http://oceanacrc.org/PDF%20Files/SKMBT_C22015040813570.pdf
You'll find sketches of the 2 examples above on pages 7 and 6 respectively: both accept an overall GCW - if my calculations are correct - of 151400lbs in normal road conditions.

Pictures found on the web, owners not known.

I hope this helps.
Guy
GuyM
Posted: Monday, July 22, 2019 3:47:47 AM
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Quinella wrote:
Will someone smart (obviously that excludes anyone in Scituate) please tell me if that trailer in the picture qualifies this as a "Michigan Train"?


Craig,

Found in my files and as a bonus, a picture of what is for me emblematic of Michigan trains: the Kingsbury Oil Co combination working for ARCO, moved by an International Transtar 3-axle tractor:



Picture issued from an unknown magazine.

Cheers.
Guy
Exkvate3140
Posted: Monday, July 22, 2019 10:10:56 PM
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Guy great pictures, especially of that Transtar day cab. Your boy Q will really appreciate the roof top A/C unit on that Transtar, what a bonus for him, it seems like it is a tall unit. Guy again you have to publish a book with the collection of pictures you have on trucks with the different trailers and loads.
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Quinella
Posted: Monday, July 22, 2019 10:41:49 PM

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Great pictures Guy. Thank you. I cannot believe a Transtar can pull that load. Anyone know what the engine specs would be? Alan Smith made some Michigan train trucks and trailers. I wonder if they would sell now. Thanks again Guy. Steve, be a nice little boy. CAW
Exkvate3140
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Q, I always am.
Jameson says hi.
codydanos
Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 1:30:21 AM
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Craig, the Transtar 4090s actually came with a 12V71
GuyM
Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 3:21:33 AM
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Quinella wrote:
[...] Alan Smith made some Michigan train trucks and trailers. I wonder if they would sell now. [...]


Craig,

As you probably know, Alan sold all molds and models from his American range to Keystone Construction Diecast (USA) in 2010, so today there is no more Michigan train semis and trailers for sale in the ASAM range.
Strangely enough, I could only find one ex-Smith tractor kit for sale on KCD website, even if they claim on the very same place: "I will be making kits and complete models from the Alan Smith molds that I purchased several years ago". Link to the KCD website: https://www.keystonediecast.com/

Just for the fun, 2 pages of the ASAM 2000 catalog showing some of their US trailer range including some "Michigan train" units:



Regards.
Guy
Quinella
Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 11:10:49 AM

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codydanos wrote:
Craig, the Transtar 4090s actually came with a 12V71


Thanks codydanos and Guy. I don't think Butch will make any more Smith trailers. It seems he is content to sell what he has and collect the unique and high price models. He has quite a collection. Craig
GuyM
Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 12:09:50 PM
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Quinella wrote:
[...] I don't think Butch will make any more Smith trailers. It seems he is content to sell what he has and collect the unique and high price models. [...]


Difficult to understand why all these models won't be produced anymore: there was quite a lot of interesting heavy haulage outfits (in particular Trail King ones) that would sell well today with all these US haulage tractors appearing in a 1/50 scale (and I suppose that he didn't get the molds for free!).

Cheers.
Guy
Quinella
Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 12:56:37 PM

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GuyM wrote:
Quinella wrote:
[...] I don't think Butch will make any more Smith trailers. It seems he is content to sell what he has and collect the unique and high price models. [...]


Difficult to understand why all these models won't be produced anymore: there was quite a lot of interesting heavy haulage outfits (in particular Trail King ones) that would sell well today with all these US haulage tractors appearing in a 1/50 scale (and I suppose that he didn't get the molds for free!).

Cheers.
Guy


Guy, if it were me, I wouldn't dare make another Trail King 3x3x3, or any other version with those molds. Chuck's Rogers lowboys are the best ever made, especially in the detail. Smith was the top of the line back when. But now nothing compares to Chuck's models. When he listens to me, he gets rich!!!! I wish Conrad would come out with some American trailers and trucks. They make high quality models I think. I can't get used to the European trailers, even though they are really neat. I also wish American trucks were as colorful as European trucks..

And finally, I wish that weirdo in Rhode Island would get back to work and quit bugging me. CAW
George Hiram
Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 7:35:49 PM
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Hey Quinella there is one in the Chucks auction Saturday .Bid high
Exkvate3140
Posted: Tuesday, July 23, 2019 10:22:55 PM
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Hey Q Dude I believe that the TrailKing scraper trailer would still sell, unless you can make Chuck even richer by getting him to listen to you about making scraper trailers but I believe the only things that listen to you are your scared sheep. Have you found the telescopic piston to your Fruehauf gravel trailer yet?
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GuyM
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 4:52:32 AM
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Gents,

To conclude on the Michigan train topic, an outfit which was probably "sponsored" by some road tire producer:



I wonder what longevity had semi-trailer outer axles tires.

Picture scanned from "Trucks of the World Highways" A. Ingram - Blandford Editions.

Regards.
Guy
RobS
Posted: Wednesday, July 24, 2019 3:17:10 PM
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GuyM wrote:
Gents,

To conclude on the Michigan train topic, an outfit which was probably "sponsored" by some road tire producer:



I wonder what longevity had semi-trailer outer axles tires.

Picture scanned from "Trucks of the World Highways" A. Ingram - Blandford Editions.

Regards.
Guy


I lived in the Detroit area for a few years back in the late '80s. It's remarkable how often the morning traffic report spoke of "steel hauler lost his load". A nuisance at best but occasionally much more severe...

Rob
kcmtoys
Posted: Thursday, July 25, 2019 1:52:49 PM

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Michigan weight laws are unique compaired to any other States. They allow approximately 13,000 pounds per axle, and just keep adding axles, with an average of 11 axles (single and double trailers) and a gross weight of around 140,000-150,000. Permit weights (single item) can go up to 25,000 per axle if the bridge and tire sizes meet the regulations. When the frost laws are in effect Feb through April (depends on temp), the permit weights go back to 13,000 lbs per axle. Normal permit for 120,000 lbs would be 6 axles (3 axle tractor and 3 axle trailer) So 120,000 gross weight during frost laws would require 10 axles.They allow 80,000 on 5 axles on the Interstates only, and certain posted roads. The truck paper has always had a lot of Michigan tractors for sale, 20,000 lb steers, heavy duty frames, big engines, trans, and rear ends. and useally all short wheel base. Whistle Teeth






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