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I know it's probably not a big deal to the guys in charge but for the collectors, Norscot (CAT) really missed with this one. I still think CAT would have directed them to build this tire config and sadly, they won't see my money for this one. A simple problem that is exactly that, a problem. That said, It's a Norcscot model, not a CCM Brass piece. It still surprises me that people here, people who I highly respect dive into mm comparisons with the real thing. I appreciate the amount of knowledge passed around here but we need to acknowledge that they, for the most, sit as a dust topped collector model or a 'desk top piece' executive showoff. I know this opens a very large market for improvement kits  Rowan.
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mitchtim wrote:Richard,
I feel sorry for the operator too......how is he going to see through that grating??
Mitchtim Ah yes, but for the .00001% of his shift where he will be climbing into the cab he will be safe, the other 99.99999% of the day where he will be doing what the machines is made for .... grading, that does not really count does it? There were some pics on here a while ago showing some 16M,s with fold down stairs that totally block the work area vision, i have no drama with safety, everyone deserves to go home from work as they came but if we continue to build a workforce dependent on policy to keep them safe more so than there own awareness of what is going on around them we have not really learned anything except to find more ways to leach money out of courtrooms and make us cost prohibitive in manufacturing and production circles of this world. Sorry for the rant and going off topic.
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Diecast Logger wrote:GraniteFan713 wrote:RowanH wrote:I agree that it looks pretty good but to me, those tires just scream lego. The rest of the model looks excellent. They just had so many better tire options. I'll pass on this one.
Rowan. Same here. i agree  And what's wrong with LEGO!?  
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Gavin84w wrote:There were some pics on here a while ago showing some 16M,s with fold down stairs that totally block the work area vision, i have no drama with safety, everyone deserves to go home from work as they came but if we continue to build a workforce dependent on policy to keep them safe more so than there own awareness of what is going on around them we have not really learned anything except to find more ways to leach money out of courtrooms and make us cost prohibitive in manufacturing and production circles of this world. THANK YOU GAVIN!!!!!!!! It's so nice to see someone who truly understands. Brian
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I am looking forward to customising this model to make it more authentic. Tyres, walkways, lights and decals.
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mitchtim wrote:Richard,
I think the person putting the 24M logo on had a big night out.....
Mitchtim Same fella that did the 793F judging from the first pics of it and the race angles he was runnin the decals at!!
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Greasemonkey wrote:Gavin84w wrote:There were some pics on here a while ago showing some 16M,s with fold down stairs that totally block the work area vision, i have no drama with safety, everyone deserves to go home from work as they came but if we continue to build a workforce dependent on policy to keep them safe more so than there own awareness of what is going on around them we have not really learned anything except to find more ways to leach money out of courtrooms and make us cost prohibitive in manufacturing and production circles of this world. THANK YOU GAVIN!!!!!!!! It's so nice to see someone who truly understands. Brian I totally agree with both of you. The young operators get more in the way of book learning than practical learning and because of that they don't have the common sense to know what really goes on on a piece of equipment!! I have the 24H and it is not all that bad, yes the tires might be a little odd looking but as this machine is used in areas such as mines they are appropriate for the job!! They are representative of a severe service tire used in the mining industry and also keeping in mind most graders are an all wheel drive vehicle that would need them on all the wheels.
Dain I'm a kid at heart, so I will play with any model construction vehicle from 1:87 scale to 1:1 scale!!!! Age is a state of time NOT a state of mind!!
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The larger siderails and platform area around the cab is actually a optional for window and mirror cleaning. The fenders over the rear tandems are also optional. Got this info from the Cat website at the 24M specs.
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dain555 wrote:Greasemonkey wrote:Gavin84w wrote:There were some pics on here a while ago showing some 16M,s with fold down stairs that totally block the work area vision, i have no drama with safety, everyone deserves to go home from work as they came but if we continue to build a workforce dependent on policy to keep them safe more so than there own awareness of what is going on around them we have not really learned anything except to find more ways to leach money out of courtrooms and make us cost prohibitive in manufacturing and production circles of this world. THANK YOU GAVIN!!!!!!!! It's so nice to see someone who truly understands. Brian I totally agree with both of you. The young operators get more in the way of book learning than practical learning and because of that they don't have the common sense to know what really goes on on a piece of equipment!!I have the 24H and it is not all that bad, They are representative of a severe service tire used in the mining industry and also keeping in mind most graders are an all wheel drive vehicle that would need them on all the wheels. THANK You. 
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Gavin, I absolutely agree with everything you said on true operator safety.
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RowanH wrote:That said, It's a Norcscot model, not a CCM Brass piece. It still surprises me that people here, people who I highly respect dive into mm comparisons with the real thing. I appreciate the amount of knowledge passed around here but we need to acknowledge that they, for the most, sit as a dust topped collector model or a 'desk top piece' executive showoff. I know this opens a very large market for improvement kits Rowan. I think if anyone mentions a comparison to CCM it would be to CCM,s diecast line of Cat models, not the brass stuff as there is no comparison that can be drawn beetween that and Norscot, except maybe that they are both yellow!
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Some pictures at this website of a 3D model showing a different tyre which may give people ideas on what customs you can make. 24M Solid ModelAnd another site where someone has tried to convert a 24H to a 24M but I am not sure I like the wheels chosen. Would that tyre not fit on the original norscot rim....?  Modified 24M grader model Mitchtim
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That 24H done up as an M looks to be shod with Michelin XRB pattern tyres that were common on the NZG 988,s & 621/627. 29.5 x 29 size tyre (except for the 988B which should be 65/35 x 33) and that is the correct size as per the 24 series machines.
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mitchtim, The wheels used on that customised 24H are the drive wheels{front} from a Norscot 623G elevating scraper.The actual 621/3/7 scrapers use 29" rims.Therefore,the 623G tyres{although Michelin XRB's are not used on the 24 series graders as far as I am aware} should fit on the rims......in theory. Anyone have the 24M{or 24H with larger rims/tyres} and the 623G who are able to try out this theory for us curious collectors????? Cheers Brian C
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Redjack Ryan wrote:Diecast Logger wrote:GraniteFan713 wrote:RowanH wrote:I agree that it looks pretty good but to me, those tires just scream lego. The rest of the model looks excellent. They just had so many better tire options. I'll pass on this one.
Rowan. Same here. i agree And what's wrong with LEGO!? nothing but it seems the more realistic lego sets get you'd think that they'd work on there tires ???
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Brian C wrote:mitchtim,
The wheels used on that customised 24H are the drive wheels{front} from a Norscot 623G elevating scraper.The actual 621/3/7 scrapers use 29" rims.Therefore,the 623G tyres{although Michelin XRB's are not used on the 24 series graders as far as I am aware} should fit on the rims......in theory. Brian, We just got 5 new 24Ms that have the XR tires on them. I didn't even know they were available for a 24. I'm not sure if they are XR As, XR Bs or the XR C4s, but I think the only difference in them is the tread depth. Brian
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Brian
Can you post pictures of your new 24M's?
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Some tyre options:  Mitchtim
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