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steelman
Posted: Saturday, February 15, 2014 11:36:37 AM
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Bump, for meeting feedback!
Weserhutte
Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 12:02:51 AM
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eef7260 wrote:
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For the record; the extendable and retractable counterweight in a horizontal plane is not a new concept. Coles used it back in the '70s and the most recent example I can think of are some of the Terex American HC series, which were actually IHI machines.


Have to disagree here with you , the first new series from American ( A100HC later called HC125 , A1500HC later called the HC210 ) were the the ones with the extendable and retractable counterweight ( called Workhorse ).
Those machines were no IHI machines , all the later HC models are IHI machines ( HC 60 80 110 165 275 350) But those machines don't have the Workhorse Feature.

Eef


Thank you very much for the explanation Eef! I was only attempting to express that the concept isn't new. The American's were the last I was aware of using a moving counterweight until recent years. So; was the HC designation conceived at the end of Americans life, or given by Terex?

Perhaps craneman can help me learn about "intellectual property"? Both the Mani and Sany have the counterweights sliding along the sides of the upperworks. On the Sany the operating cylinders are mounted on the top. On the Mani they are not in plain sight, but are certainly inboard. Does it really matter?
craneman
Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 2:21:59 AM

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Long time Manitowoc crane designer (father of the VPC) left Manitowoc after the VPC you saw in the pictures on Pg. 3 was conceived but before it was made public, he signed an agreement that he would not share that Trade Secret before Manitowoc made it public. The VPC holds two patents (intellectual property) which they claim were given to Sany for a good chunk of change. The position of the slide cylinders is irrelevant, when the whole concept and principle were simply misappropriated for money.
DC Craneman
Posted: Sunday, February 16, 2014 4:36:37 PM
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I like the suggestion that those interested gather at the DHS booth at noon each day.

As a follow up to craneman's comments, the individual formerly with Manitowoc, supposedly had first hand and detailed knowledge of Manitowoc's patent structure. It is also alleged that three additional individuals were recruited. I recently saw a piece in the media that outlined more about this suit and after seeing the pictures herein , I clearly understand why the suits were filed. Note there are two actions that I am aware of. One is Manitowoc versus Sany and the other is Manitowoc versus a key former employee who is a US citizen in the US courts over employment agreements and confidentiality of intellectual property. Note, that individual is represented to have coordinated with patent counsel the filing of Manitowoc's patents. I claim no inside knowledge but am relying on what I have read in various media.
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:41:11 PM
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Is anyone going to meet at the booth daily??

Chuck
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Posted: Monday, February 17, 2014 8:57:43 PM

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admin wrote:
Is anyone going to meet at the booth daily??

Chuck



Sounds good to me I will try fri and saturday at noon

Jason


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todd s
Posted: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 1:47:05 PM

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admin wrote:
Is anyone going to meet at the booth daily??

Chuck


I might, will be a nice break from dealing with salesmen instead of Liebherr and Bauer's hospitality area.
DC Craneman
Posted: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:11:45 PM
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If I do not get preoccupied, I'll try to meet at the booth daily.
38wireman
Posted: Saturday, February 22, 2014 10:40:08 PM

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i will meet at noon. Will there be gourmet hot dogs?
todd s
Posted: Saturday, February 22, 2014 10:42:59 PM

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38wireman wrote:
Will there be gourmet hot dogs?


What he said.
admin
Posted: Saturday, February 22, 2014 10:52:26 PM
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Not a bad idea... wonder how we can make that happen?

Chuck
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Posted: Sunday, February 23, 2014 12:01:23 AM
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As you surely know by now, Nathan's is just down the hallway east from you immediately after the grand lobby on the left. If you have vouchers for $12 hot dogs, I'm stopping by for sure!
craneman
Posted: Sunday, February 23, 2014 7:23:16 PM

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I will drop by one of the 3 days that im there for sure, there will be far too much to see to be there every day at noon... But it is a cool idea to meet the folks of this fine forum, look forward to it.
WCollins
Posted: Sunday, February 23, 2014 8:03:32 PM

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I'll be there the entire week. I'll try to stop by the booth daily.

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Manitowoc
Posted: Monday, February 24, 2014 9:40:17 PM

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Will be there as well. Look forward to seeing some of my forum buds.
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Posted: Friday, February 28, 2014 12:04:25 PM
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Just a reminder - show up at the DHS Booth each day of the show at noon to meet up with other forum posters and lurkers!

See you at the show!

Chuck
craneman
Posted: Friday, February 28, 2014 2:44:11 PM

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Being a ConExpo newb, is there anyone here that has gone before that has any insider info tips tricks kind of thing that a guy should know about?
todd s
Posted: Friday, February 28, 2014 5:26:28 PM

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craneman wrote:
Being a ConExpo newb, is there anyone here that has gone before that has any insider info tips tricks kind of thing that a guy should know about?


Don't walk up to a roulette table and put all your money on black.

Wear comfortable shoes, get the app for your phone so you can find the booths your looking for and have a good plan for getting to the show and back. If your going to ride the monorail to the show and your coming from the south, try to get on at the first station (MGM Grand) or try to wait for the peak rush to die down as the train will be packed before it gets to the second station.

Also, take a light coat with you. The desert, this time of the year can get pretty cold and windy at night. Even though the projected highs are in the 70's during the day, the lows are in the upper 40's/low 50's. I have seen a lot of people walking around in the evening, freezing. A lot of the show is outside, don't get a sunburn. Even if you don't gamble take a walk through some of the big themed casinos on the strip. It is amazing how much money they spend. There is a lot to see in the Vegas area besides the show and gambling. If you have never been to the south west take a drive out to the Hoover dam, check out a cactus, shoot a lizard off of a rock and have a good time.

What happens in Vegas does not always stay in Vegas and remember, no matter what the stripper tells you, there is no sex in the champagne room.
craneman
Posted: Friday, February 28, 2014 6:40:16 PM

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todd s wrote:
craneman wrote:
Being a ConExpo newb, is there anyone here that has gone before that has any insider info tips tricks kind of thing that a guy should know about?


Don't walk up to a roulette table and put all your money on black.

Wear comfortable shoes, get the app for your phone so you can find the booths your looking for and have a good plan for getting to the show and back. If your going to ride the monorail to the show and your coming from the south, try to get on at the first station (MGM Grand) or try to wait for the peak rush to die down as the train will be packed before it gets to the second station.

Also, take a light coat with you. The desert, this time of the year can get pretty cold and windy at night. Even though the projected highs are in the 70's during the day, the lows are in the upper 40's/low 50's. I have seen a lot of people walking around in the evening, freezing. A lot of the show is outside, don't get a sunburn. Even if you don't gamble take a walk through some of the big themed casinos on the strip. It is amazing how much money they spend. There is a lot to see in the Vegas area besides the show and gambling. If you have never been to the south west take a drive out to the Hoover dam, check out a cactus, shoot a lizard off of a rock and have a good time.

What happens in Vegas does not always stay in Vegas and remember, no matter what the stripper tells you, there is no sex in the champagne room.


Awesome thanks for the reply, I plan on taking the free shuttle from the hotel, is that a good thing or is it just a ruse?
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