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TomCat
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:01:06 AM

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I hope the price of the 1850,could be close to the 994F. Great machine to model.Keep up the good work Chuck.Pray Pray



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MCFEE
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 3:12:07 PM

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Looks like a great model . Only concern I have is the possible price tag . I was hoping a more affordable model maker was going to make it and it's price was going to be more in line with the 994 loader bt Norscot which is a great model for the money in my opinion.
JustinE
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 4:42:12 PM

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MCFEE wrote:
Looks like a great model . Only concern I have is the possible price tag . I was hoping a more affordable model maker was going to make it and it's price was going to be more in line with the 994 loader bt Norscot which is a great model for the money in my opinion.

Yeah, I agree. TWH is pricey, but I'm sure we can expect a much better model from them rather than from Norscot. I'm not saying that Norscot wouldn't do a good job (lately, they've been coming out with some fantastic models), I'm just saying that TWH has a much better attention to detail than Norscot does.

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leo-cat
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:08:33 PM

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Here´s what we can expect from TWH http://www.presseagentur-noris.de/SM08/2008_02070069.jpg

Leo
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Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:17:15 PM
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great pix,looking good.looks like a high lift to get over the big haul trucks. thanks.
Jim15
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:44:53 PM

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jim 15 needs to get a freakin grip, or seek psychiatric help.


No I haven't gotten the model. I'm also not a crane guy. If I was a crane guy..... then I would have toWink

JohnGalt,

I'm not going to continue this any further, I don't have time to read your mile long essay of a PM. If you think your right, then I guess your right. Just remember real men don't solve their problems by email or posting on forums.

Jim


JustinE
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 7:37:05 PM

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WOW, looks like its going to be a beautiful model- can't wait! Thanks for the link leo-cat. I think I'll probably go with the white version.

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RPFowler
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:47:39 PM
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Been studying this TWH L1850 very closely and all I can say is if it comes out like that then I won't be buying it.

Had 2nd BE 49HR arrive yesterday. Gone back today. Again assembled by a gibbon.

Look closely at these samples here and the handrails are all over the place. Also, I think Leo raised it about the tires, they are not what is fitted to the ASAM L1800, which have all the Bridgstone info on the side walls and are based on 55/80R-57. Nothing written on these, but being a sample it is very possible that the tires have been borrowed from the 994 to get it to the show. Having said that, the 994 can run on these or 65/65-57 tires, so in theory the tires on the L1850 should be as big or bigger than the ones on the 994.

Price of it is (I would guess) probably going to be around $500, (Euro 550) or by the time exchange rates are taken in, what I paid for the ASAM L1800 8 years ago!. The difference being the L1800 is beautifully assembled.......

TWH clearly put a lot of effort into getting parts right etc. BUT they have got to sort their assembly Q/C out. I have 3 BE495, 2 resprayed and all rebuilt, 1 BE49HR total rebuild and respray and another going back because of build quality issues.

I thought Brami were made in the same factory. How come they are properly assembled?

Also studying the pics closely, the overall detail is similar to the ASAM that came out 8 years ago and will cost roughly the same!!!!!!!!!

How is that for progress? Pray Pray Pray

KR

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JustinE
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:00:54 PM

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Well, I hope it isn't going to run around $500- a model this size should be about $350 at the most. As for the tires and why they don't have Bridgstone written on them, keep in mind- this is the prototype. We may see a few changes and corrections with the finals.
As with the assembly problems- what do you expect from stuff made in China?!

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D5G
Posted: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:55:36 PM
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If you guys want to keep bashing Chuck on HIS forum, please remember he puts on a one-of-a-kind collectors show every year which is FREE puts out HIS own money weather you buy anything from him or not.I have had some minor problems here and there but I don't buy $5000 worth of models every year, every time I have called them they fixed the problem and apoligized for the inconveince so I think this has gone kinda off the original point.

Chuck,

Hope you have a great time at Toy Fair!

Now as far as the model goes, I think it looks amazing and I can't wait to see it come to life.

Mike

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Jim15
Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:30:12 AM

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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:47:17 AM

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This thing could be awesome, I think TWH has proven themselves by now. Let's just hope that thay don't continue that aweful trend of inflated model pricing, I just won't support that.
If the 495's were in the high $500 area, this model will be a lot smaller and less complex so the pricing should be well south of the 495 to reflect this.

Here's hoping,

Nate
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 3:34:12 AM

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kingn8 wrote:
This thing could be awesome, I think TWH has proven themselves by now. Let's just hope that thay don't continue that aweful trend of inflated model pricing, I just won't support that.
If the 495's were in the high $500 area, this model will be a lot smaller and less complex so the pricing should be well south of the 495 to reflect this.

Here's hoping,

Nate


Before everyone keeps jumping to conclusions here, maybe you should wait until the price is announced before you criticize it. I have heard what the price range is they were targeting......and you are all way out of line on it. I won't say anymore on it, but wait and see.

I also think Nate is out of line with his comment on the trend of inflated model pricing. The cost of these models is far more fair than anything we have seen in the past compared to what we are getting. I don't get it, we have folks on here complaining about the cost of a model that hasn't even had a price announced yet, and in the next post, we have people complaining about the fact that the models are produced in China for next to nothing in the way of wages for the workers.

Folks, you can't have it both ways. If you want it cheap, you aren't going to get the detail if it's produced domestically. If you have it produced with the detail domestically, it sure isn't going to be cheap.

I swear to god, if they built these models perfectly to scale and made the engines run off real diesel fuel, we'd have people on here complaining about how much fuel they burn. There is no pleasing you.

Brian
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 11:41:14 AM

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Brian,

You are right that we could be way out of line about the pricing. Most of us are not privy to such info. But when people hear rumors like 500 Euros, $500.... they are likely to share them like they did. Then people get excited. And they should, hundreds of dollars still gets you some pretty good stuff out there.

Do you really think that the average, maybe any, model is fairly priced? That depends on how you define fair I guess. I don’t believe that the manufacturing company simply adds an average percent of profit and then sets the selling price. Models must be pretty difficult things to understand what people will pay for them. I do believe however, that the pricing is largely arbitrary and is set as high as possible and still sell and minimum number of units. Consider the 994F; this model was like $60 I think originally. If you take off DHS’ profit and then the manufacturers profit its pretty clear that this thing is made for tens of dollars, if that. And that’s fine; I own it and I like it. But when you compare that to another similar model that’s hundreds of dollars more you know that there is a lot of profit money there. Quality just doesn’t cost that much.

The arbitrary pricing simply comes down to supply and demand. They attempt to attach a price to a new model by researching the target market to determine demand. I wouldn’t doubt at all that this site/forum/Chuck is viewed by those people for research. (You will also notice that the 994F went up 20 or so dollars because the demand was so good.) That’s why when I say that I won’t pay $$$ for a model I know someone other than the average collector is listening. And the rest of us should too.

Nate
Mark Bridle
Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 12:45:45 PM

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Every thing changes and nothing changes. Not been to active on the forum lately, but Randy's post caught my eye. I've got a Smiths LT 1800 loader and was interested to see how things have improved. Pity the post got hi jacked by a bunch of tarts winghing about cranes. If you want to compain then contact the vendor or the model maker. We used to get this all the time, from the same old faces, now I see we have a new set of faces. Like I said everything changes and nothing changes. Pity it was an interesting topic, one I might add thats becoming increasingly rare on here, as a new set of posting racers have arrived on the DHS grid. Next time, start a new post and save us all the trouble of having to filter out all your tedious name calling and bitchiness, what a bunch of girlies.

Mark Bridle
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Not really going to say too much on this topic as my opinions may be considered "different" by some of you. However, I will note to kingn8 that the "price of the 994F" did NOT raise because of the demand. If you look ACROSS THE BOARD on the Norscot pricing... it ALL WENT UP! ALL OF IT... EVERY SINGLE NORSCOT PIECE both old and new, has gone up. While I don't work for Norscot and can't give you the EXACT reasons, I can say that the price increases are due to several things.

A. Models like the D11R CD have been at the same price point for years... it's time for an increase.
B. Norscot has DEFINITELY beefed up the quality and bang for your buck in recent years... thus the increase on the new models becomes justified.
C. The cost of the Raw Materials has gone up CONSIDERABLY over the past few years with little or no increase (again, the D11R CD for example, has been at the same price point for years roughly anyway)

The Cat 330D L Excavator was recently priced at (if memory serves me correctly) about $59.99 most places. DHS now lists this model at $75.95

NONE of these increases were just because Chuck and / or any other dealer just woke up one day and said "Hey, I think I want to make more $ on Norscot stuff". It is / was done by Norscot. Dealers / Distributors are supposed to follow manufacturers guidelines on these matters.

In regards to the pricing of the LeTourneau 1850 Wheel Loader from TWH replicas, I can say that a website in Italy already offers it for ordering at (what I believe is the symbol for) UK Pound Sterling 449 which according to www.xe.com translates into $873.00.

Is that accurate information? I don't know what Greasemonkey knows so I can't say. However I'm sure we will find out soon enough. Like Greasemonkey said however... let's not all jump to conclusions about what is on the tires sides, what the price is etc... until we hear from a reliable source and see a FINISHED SAMPLE picture (s). ... Prt
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Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:27:50 PM

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Not really going to say too much on this topic as my opinions may be considered "different" by some of you. However, I will note to kingn8 that the "price of the 994F" did NOT raise because of the demand. If you look ACROSS THE BOARD on the Norscot pricing... it ALL WENT UP! ALL OF IT... EVERY SINGLE NORSCOT PIECE both old and new, has gone up. While I don't work for Norscot and can't give you the EXACT reasons, I can say that the price increases are due to several things.

A. Models like the D11R CD have been at the same price point for years... it's time for an increase.
B. Norscot has DEFINITELY beefed up the quality and bang for your buck in recent years... thus the increase on the new models becomes justified.
C. The cost of the Raw Materials has gone up CONSIDERABLY over the past few years with little or no increase (again, the D11R CD for example, has been at the same price point for years roughly anyway)

The Cat 330D L Excavator was recently priced at (if memory serves me correctly) about $59.99 most places. DHS now lists this model at $75.95

NONE of these increases were just because Chuck and / or any other dealer just woke up one day and said "Hey, I think I want to make more $ on Norscot stuff". It is / was done by Norscot. Dealers / Distributors are supposed to follow manufacturers guidelines on these matters.

In regards to the pricing of the LeTourneau 1850 Wheel Loader from TWH replicas, I can say that a website in Italy already offers it for ordering at (what I believe is the symbol for) UK Pound Sterling 449 which according to www.xe.com translates into $873.00.

Is that accurate information? I don't know what Greasemonkey knows so I can't say. However I'm sure we will find out soon enough. Like Greasemonkey said however... let's not all jump to conclusions about what is on the tires sides, what the price is etc... until we hear from a reliable source and see a FINISHED SAMPLE picture (s). ... Prt


Prt,
Please don't shoot me down but the website is quoting Euros, not GBP's. So according to xe.com, it pencils out at $650USD or £334GBP.

Thanks,

Paul R
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Paul R. definitely not going to shoot anyone down. lol. I am unfamiliar with the European Symbols and checked out the symbol again and you are of course 100% correct! I like your price better than the one I figure out anyway! lol ... Thanks for the correction! ... Prt
JustinE
Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:40:23 PM

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Ok, let’s not start arguing again guys. First of all, I am not complaining about the model’s price at all. I don’t care if it is going to be $400 or $500 because I’m buying one when it comes out anyway- my minds already made up. All I was saying is that I was just hoping that the model isn’t going to be too much money ($800). The reason why I don’t own an ASAM LeTourneau loader is because I can’t see spending that much money on a model- same reason for why I only have a couple OHS models. Now, am I saying that I want all the models for dirt cheap- of course not!

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kingn8
Posted: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:42:00 PM

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Prt,

The reasons you mention for the price increase make sense. And of course no one just woke up and decided to increase prices. Who said that? Dealers can't set prices if they have any sort of competition.

It still boils down to supply and demand, your first two reasons rely on it and the third is indirectly related. My main point was that the people here represent a very important part of the previously mentioned target market, where the demand is. The moral for me is if we're talking about a $600ish loader my demand will stay in the bank.

Nate
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