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mitchtim
Posted: Sunday, January 16, 2011 10:42:30 PM

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Some pictures of the model found on the internet:









Note the position of the 793F Decal on the dump body.
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Posted: Monday, January 17, 2011 11:23:20 AM

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Gavin,

Are the decals on teh body in the correct location? I thought that in the previous post that people were suggesting that they should be higher. Your comments?

I also note that it seams to be missing the drive shaft.... (see third picture)??

Mitchtim
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Posted: Monday, January 17, 2011 11:32:56 AM

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mitchtim wrote:
Gavin,

Are the decals on teh body in the correct location? I thought that in the previous post that people were suggesting that they should be higher. Your comments?

I also note that it seams to be missing the drive shaft.... (see third picture)??

Mitchtim


Well according to (I think) MCW, the decals were supposed to have been corrected. The MCW website shows a picture of the corrected version: MCW

Just scroll down a little.

Paul R
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Posted: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:43:15 PM

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mitchtim wrote:

I also note that it seams to be missing the drive shaft.... (see third picture)?


Maybe it´s front wheel driven Whistle Teeth

Leo
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Posted: Monday, January 17, 2011 5:28:20 PM

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mitchtim wrote:
Gavin,

Are the decals on teh body in the correct location? I thought that in the previous post that people were suggesting that they should be higher. Your comments?

I also note that it seams to be missing the drive shaft.... (see third picture)??

Mitchtim


Tim, I had two of them hauling off my shovel the other day. The decals are not in the correct location as shown on this model. They are however, correct on the updated version shown on MCW.

Brian
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Posted: Tuesday, January 18, 2011 10:16:50 PM

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hmmmmm......Norscot please explain????

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Posted: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 7:09:48 AM

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mitchtim
Posted: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:37:07 AM

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Great find Gavin. This confirms that the models currently appearing on the shelves of dealers are wrong. Buyers beware!

CAN ANYONE CONFIRM IF THE MODELS ARE BEING CORRECTED AND WILL APPEAR WITH THE DECALS IN THE CORRECT LOCATION....??

Mitchtim
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Posted: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:14:51 PM

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I believe Mr. Downes (MCW) has said, in a recent post, that the images floating around of
the 793F are of the pre-production units and that the decal location has already been corrected.

Looks like another great model from Norscot!

- Chris Smile
dain555
Posted: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:52:02 PM

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I believe looking at the 3rd pic and noticing the ladder down to the back engine area that the 793F is supposed to be Diesel/Electric drive which does not use drive shafts.

It would work like a railroad locomotive where the engine turns a generator which sends power to the traction motor on the rear wheels to drive them.

That's just my observation as I have not seen models or real trucks with the ladder in the position it's in if it were a standard shaft driven truck as there generally is no reason to go to that area unless your in the shop for transmission work.

The ladder would provide access to the generator area to check any oiling that needs to be done on a daily basis as with the engine!!

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Posted: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 2:36:20 PM

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Gentlemen,

First, the only diesel/electric currently in Caterpillar's product line is the 795F.

Second, the Caterpillar 793F model is in stock right here at DHS and they were even nice enough to updated the photograph from the real machine to the model received.

http://www.dhsdiecast.com/shop/product_detail.cfm?product_id=8552



Looks like the decal is in the correct location in accordance with the prototype.

However, with all the above said, when ordering, I would suggest you place the order via telephone and confirm the location of the decal.

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Posted: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 6:32:45 PM

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dain555 wrote:
I believe looking at the 3rd pic and noticing the ladder down to the back engine area that the 793F is supposed to be Diesel/Electric drive which does not use drive shafts.

It would work like a railroad locomotive where the engine turns a generator which sends power to the traction motor on the rear wheels to drive them.

That's just my observation as I have not seen models or real trucks with the ladder in the position it's in if it were a standard shaft driven truck as there generally is no reason to go to that area unless your in the shop for transmission work.

The ladder would provide access to the generator area to check any oiling that needs to be done on a daily basis as with the engine!!


Dain,

The ladder is to access that area of the truck without the need for a manlift. There are a great deal of hoses and filters in that area, and in order to change one in the field, this ladder allows access much easier than if there were no ladder. So, it isn't a reliable indicator of the drive system the truck uses.

Brian
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Posted: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 9:58:21 PM

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If this were the AC version the ladder would not be there as the AC control cupboards and cooler would be mounted on the deck right in front of the ladder. Also the rear hubs would need to be different for the wheel motors.

This is definately a mechanical drive truck with the one missing link.....a drive shaft???

Mitchtim
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Posted: Thursday, January 20, 2011 2:17:16 PM

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Greasemonkey, thanks for the correction it is much appreciated.

I found out about the truck in more detail on the Cat site!!

Agreed mitchtim with your observations and the missing drive shaft.

Dain

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mitchtim
Posted: Thursday, January 20, 2011 10:17:04 PM

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Well it is official.....Norscot has sent out the first batch of 793F's with the wrong location for the decal on the dump body. I was about to purchase one when the dealer sent me this picture whihc is the same as the picture received from 2 other dealers.



and from another dealer....



My purhcasing is on hold until Norscot sort themselves out.

DHS can you please post a picture of your stock?

Mitchtim
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Posted: Saturday, January 22, 2011 12:51:07 AM

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After contacting two dealers that I now well, and explained the issue with the location of the decal they immediately contacted Norscot and this is the two responses:

"The word from Norscot and Caterpillar is, that is the new position for the decal on the 793F Dump trucks"

"Norscot contacted me back and said the Caterpillar has changed the location of the decals to the middle of the dump body instead of up under the bed lip. The location is correct according to Norscot. I am going to check with Caterpillars store and make sure they are carrying them this way"

DHS Can you also confirm this information?

Mitchtim
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Posted: Saturday, January 22, 2011 1:23:40 AM

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Tim, this must be a very new development, since the last 793F one of our contractors had delivered still has the high decal on the box.....and that was a few days ago.

Brian
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Posted: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:21:57 AM

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Tim,

Just looking back at those HSE trucks and the decals on them have been put on the wrong sides so not a good example to go off.

Downunder most of the bodies meet the trucks for the first time at the site and decals are usually installed after final touch up at site assy. Many times people have no idea or care where the decals go on the sides of the bodies and they often get them wrong, in there defence i have never seen any instructions in the boxs that come with the truck to show you where to put them.

It is only if someone in the site assy crew knows where they go you can get them the same as Cat intend them, every truck i have ever assembled has been correct as i take a spec sheet with me and anyone on site that thinks they know (and they usually don;t!) can be shown and there is no arguing and the machine is presented and delivered as Caterpillar intended it.

Some exceptions take place when customer decals or unit numbers have to be installed so a compromise must be found.

A big trend down here has been for years that companies have there logo,s and unit numbers in fairly std places say across a grader fleet that covers a few models but as sites now have so many idiots running around on them that they don,t know a D10 from a pitch fork the sites go there own way with big fluoro numbers that are in most cases not relevant to the asset or unit number and they slap these things on every corner of the machine over the top of OEM decals or where ever and the machines end up looking like a circus act.
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Posted: Saturday, January 22, 2011 7:38:58 AM

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This topic is getting very interesting. When i first received the picture of the 793F from Norscot, it had the decal half way up the dump body. I was then told by Norscot not to use the image as it was wrong and they would send me the correct image, which they did and the decal was shown at the top of the body.

When i received the model, i contacted them to ask about the placement of the decal because the model has it centrally and i was told this was incorrect and a correct version of the model would be available soon. That is the last i have heard from them.

It would appear that something has changed in the last week or so judging from the comments above. Maybe Norcot have already produced the full batch of models so it is not possible to change it, or they have got confused on which is the correct "signed off" version.

I will discuss this with them at the toy fair.

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Posted: Saturday, January 22, 2011 11:12:12 AM

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mitchtim wrote:
After contacting two dealers that I now well, and explained the issue with the location of the decal they immediately contacted Norscot and this is the two responses:

"The word from Norscot and Caterpillar is, that is the new position for the decal on the 793F Dump trucks"

"Norscot contacted me back and said the Caterpillar has changed the location of the decals to the middle of the dump body instead of up under the bed lip. The location is correct according to Norscot. I am going to check with Caterpillars store and make sure they are carrying them this way"

DHS Can you also confirm this information?

Mitchtim
does not seem that it wouldn't be known

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