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MMMM... Is there a Pics of it Lifting Something???
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take the CC8800 Twin and mix it with a Lampson LTL 2600 and Manitowoc 31000 and thats what you get.... Liebherr achieved same lifting capacity with single main boom, to me thats far more impressive than copying other peoples designs.
while i can admit they do look impressive, you lose credit for not coming up with your own design, i realize the wheel can only be invented so many ways, but its blatant copying.
the crawler ballast wagon like the Transilift is still cool as hell to me, there needs to be a 1/50 LTL 2600 model. Hell i would settle for any of these huge monsters, CC8800 Twin, either of these Chinese knockoffs, i know we have the 31000 coming, id gladly welcome an LR 13000 too
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Those are big enough they will make a lot of scrap iron when they fall.
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Thanks rowan for the post great collection of pics , and what a super impressive looking machine.
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I realy doudt you will see either crane "fall" because of failure of the structure.... You would be very shocked to see who and what nationality the key people that had a great deal to do with these particular machines came from..... and what mfgs contributed to them. Its a world market folks.
Do you figure the good 'ol USA designed or built the majority of the heavy equipment innovations here in this country for the past 150 or so years.....or did we "copy" them?.....better do a little research on this if you think that is the case....you might not want to hear it, but most of "OUR" ideas came from western Europe not here....can we say... Diesel Engine?, Powered winch,...... the list is endless.
Has anyone ever even SEEN a crane this size on display at Bauma or ConExpo..... NO.... Doesn't that say something?.... it does to me... we are being left behind and can't even afford to display monsters like this anymore, or don't care enough to do it.
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We do not build anything anymore in this country Tim, heck....we can't even build a pipeline.
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they can copy all they like, but they still do not have the steel quality.
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rollinlowford wrote:they can copy all they like, but they still do not have the steel quality. And just think, we used that same steel along with their welding in the new S.F. bay bridge construction.
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First Japan overtakes us in Technology now China, by the way some nice cranes ! Can you say we are in deep doo doo !  Chet
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The Zoomlion is nifty.
And yes, there are many western designers working for China now. In fact, one of Manitowoc's lead designers is now working for SANY and led the design of their latest 300 ton crawler.
We can't get anything done in the West anymore because our current generation of businessmen have no vision for anything other than making money. Ironically, that only works if someone else isn't running an end-run around you technologically and taking risks.
We're tripping over dollars to save dimes here in the West. Of course, if anyone in the West does try to innovate, the lawyers put a stop to that nonsense real quick...
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Crane guy or not. Who wouldn't be proud to have one of these in their collection? 
Please use this before clicking "post"??? You may be surprised with what you see!
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Quote:they can copy all they like, but they still do not have the steel quality. They copy the designs but can't match it with the years of experience and knowledge of the points of failure. The steel is not the issue ( fine Australian soruced ), they have been dealing with and making steel longer than just about any other country in the world, it is just in the design. They also are getting smart and importing the right people to do the disigning, if you remember the AC1000 had some major issues and had to have the delivery date changed many times. Grove haven't tried to make a 1000ton class road going crane, instead Manitowoc have keep the tried and true class of crane and pushed the crawler cranes for the heavy class ( which also ran late ). Sany delivery a new disign fast and more than likey cheaper than Euro and USA manufactors. They also show that they are now testing and learning from passed mistakes. Just my thoughts. Wayne
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I saw the Zoomlion 3200 tonner undergoing testing and it's impressive. I also saw the Sany 3600 tonner at bauma China. XCMG is also making some major innovations in cranes.
I think it was Confucius who said, "May you live in interesting times."
And I believe he lived in Changsha, which is where Zoomlion is based.
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MJW wrote:"May you live in interesting times." Well said MJW, well said, Bring on the super-class-cranes. Rowan.
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Sany and Zoomlion aren't the only Chinese manufactures getting in on the Twin Boom cranes. XCMG recently broke a record lifting 4500 tons on 60m of boom. it has a claimed capacity of 880000Tm, and the lift went to 79,800Tm. http://www.vertikal.net/en/news/story/16564/
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Formu1fan wrote:Sany and Zoomlion aren't the only Chinese manufactures getting in on the Twin Boom cranes. XCMG recently broke a record lifting 4500 tons on 60m of boom. it has a claimed capacity of 880000Tm, and the lift went to 79,800Tm. http://www.vertikal.net/en/news/story/16564/ Well that's quite impressive! TFS 
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I'm not sure why some feel the development of heavy-lift cranes from a "foreign" country is somehow an affront to the fragile US ego. We were, at one time, the premier bridgebuilder in the world - now Japan certainly holds that title. They had a national plan to connect all their islands via land bridges / or tunnels and in doing so they are now at the very cutting edge of that technology. China is just recently becoming "industrialized" and it is a huge country - the need for these mega-lifters probably makes economic sense. Technology is driven by necessity and has no political affiliation. 
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I'm not worried about a "Foreign" company taking their market share, just more with the Twin Boom idea. The only CC-8800 twin sold did ONE lift in the twin configuration and has been operating as a standard 8800 since then. Will these Twin Boom crawlers replace the Mega Cranes of Mammoet, Bigge, Sarens, ALE, Etc?
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