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Gaz
Posted: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:37:35 AM

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It is not a straight forward thing to ascertain this!!!! has a quick look about some of my technical drawings of leibherr crawlers and I would say it was a LR1130. It is made all the more difficult because over the years leibherr modify and improve there cranes, counterweight slabs change, small changes appear between them, a 2005 LR1130 will look slightly different from a 2010 LR1130. I really don't think it is a LR1100, in fact i'm almost 100% sure but the LR1130 and LR1160 are very similar and sometime hard to tell apart.

Sorry for not being able to give a definite answer but as I said its quite difficult to say for certain.

Gaz
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Posted: Thursday, July 29, 2010 10:57:34 AM

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I did wonder about changes myself...how much do they change though?

I first thought that the weight between the tracks was the give away as its a standard weight according to the Specs on the LR1100 at 7.5 tons. Then I was thrown by the overhanging counterweights.
The side of the machine then swung me back the other way and as you can see it looks more like the 1100 than it does the 1130.....

The plot thickens!
The LR1100


The LR1130


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jibtickler
Posted: Thursday, July 29, 2010 1:49:19 PM
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Im with Esab on this, that its a LR1100 purely by studying the two side views that he has submitted.

I havent checked out the drawings myself, and assuming theyre correclty labeled, and i have no reason to doubt this, then the following observations are made.

LR1100 has 3 engine bay doors , LR1130 has 4

Boom base pivot section has 3 ""v"" node points LR1130 has 4

LR1100 Hydraulic cylinder is underslung on the base pivot section for the track self attachment. No hydraulic cylinder underslung on th LR1130


Nice challenging identification game all the same. Thanks for posting the topic. What is it!!

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Tarantula
Posted: Thursday, July 29, 2010 3:53:30 PM

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I belive it to be a LR1130 more after the drawings got posted.

The crane I photographed has a counterweight lift, can the LR1100 have that to? And counting engine bay doors it looks like its a 1130.

//Niklas Eriksson

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Posted: Thursday, July 29, 2010 4:05:26 PM
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Tarantula wrote:
I belive it to be a LR1130 more after the drawings got posted.

The crane I photographed has a counterweight lift, can the LR1100 have that to? And counting engine bay doors it looks like its a 1130.


Tarantula. count with me. One..., Two...., Three...... oh yeah No Four.... Wink Just flick back to the picture at the beginning of the post and recount the doors. LOL

sorry for being Faeceous. i wasnt meaning no harm.

as i said before its good to get teasers like this.

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AlvinB
Posted: Thursday, July 29, 2010 6:35:07 PM

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It all depends on what version of the crane you look at (as Gaz mentioned...)

This image is directly from the brochure of the 1130 on Liebherr's website. Three doors, and the under boom cylinder...



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Crane Crew
Posted: Thursday, July 29, 2010 7:58:53 PM

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Maybe this will help?

TP Kranar, the name on the luffing fly have one LR listed in their fleet and it is a 1130.d'oh!

If you only do what you've always done, you will only get what you always got!

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Posted: Thursday, July 29, 2010 9:05:06 PM

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Well ..knock me down with a feather....the brochure of the 1130 does indeed show two different images....and its not a stock image thats used across all brochures. Really odd that on the earlier pages its different to the latter though.

If the companys website list it as a 1130 then I guess it must be but its been a real devil to work out and I am still not 100% convinced Smile

I wonder if we ever will know for sure?
d'oh!

Must admit I have enjoyed this thread though!..best fun I have had in ages Teeth

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bryce
Posted: Friday, July 30, 2010 2:38:17 AM

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Interesting topic indeed. I like it. At least we all agree that it is a Liebherr LR something or another. I think we forget that cranes / construction equip. can be quite technical... My ex-girlfriend would just call it a big yellow metal thingy. She did not have much interest in equipment. Probably why she is an ex....Anxious Anxious Anxious

I believe it is a LR1100. It is identical to the pics I have of Northern Crane Services LR1100.

Bryce
Tarantula
Posted: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:24:31 AM

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Crane Crew wrote:
Maybe this will help?

TP Kranar, the name on the luffing fly have one LR listed in their fleet and it is a 1130.d'oh!


Where did you find this? I have been searching for info about their lineup on their site but all I have found is what capacity they have. No crane models.

//Niklas Eriksson

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Posted: Friday, July 30, 2010 11:09:25 AM

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Tarantula wrote:
Crane Crew wrote:
Maybe this will help?

TP Kranar, the name on the luffing fly have one LR listed in their fleet and it is a 1130.d'oh!


Where did you find this? I have been searching for info about their lineup on their site but all I have found is what capacity they have. No crane models.


I did the same on their site no info on what cranes they have, just capacity of their fleet

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jibtickler
Posted: Friday, July 30, 2010 1:28:16 PM
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it is a lot of fun.

The crane company TP Kranar may be misleading. it is quite often to cross hire a crane for a period and place a banner on the jib sections to show who its currently on hire to.

I did a search and one of our colleagues on here AI Nikolis has pictures of a LR (lets say it LR1130) in TP Kranar colours and it look totally different to the one in discussion. If this is definately the LR1130 in this picture below http://www.flickr.com/photos/a-i-nikolis/3629547513/ then i still maintain its the LR1100 along with Esab.



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Esab_Steelblue
Posted: Friday, July 30, 2010 1:46:12 PM

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And yet again....the odds swing in my direction!

Hopefully someone comes along who can settle this once and for all Smiley


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Posted: Friday, July 30, 2010 2:41:59 PM
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Well Guys,

I for one will go for the LR1130, if you check out the pdf of the LR1130 and look at the undercarriage frame by the front idler, there is a slight taper on the frame work of the LR1130, the 1100 is straight, well thats my 2 cent's.

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Posted: Friday, July 30, 2010 3:11:10 PM
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im going for the do or die finale.........Teeth

final reason for believing its the LR1100, he he , whose getting bored yet??


The LR1100 has 2 x 7.5te carbody counterweights. As shown in the close up picture.

The LR1130 has 2x 10.0te carbody counterweights.

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hummer13
Posted: Friday, July 30, 2010 3:50:50 PM

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jibtickler wrote:
im going for the do or die finale.........Teeth

final reason for believing its the LR1100, he he , whose getting bored yet??


The LR1100 has 2 x 7.5te carbody counterweights. As shown in the close up picture.

The LR1130 has 2x 10.0te carbody counterweights.


I am sure not getting bored this a pretty fun thread

Jason


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Gaz
Posted: Friday, July 30, 2010 4:02:35 PM

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If memory serves me right but the older LR1130's only had 7.5t car body weights, i'm struggling to find something to confirm this on the net!!!

I remember a Sarens LR1150 I de-rigged a while back, it was a older machine but was uprated to a 160 by doing nothing more that add 10t more car body ballast so these things are subject to a little modification!

Now i must admit i'm still unsure and my reasons for thinking 130 is the tracks simpley look to large and to wide for the more 'compact' LR1100....follow this link

http://www.liebherr.com/CR/en-GB/products_cr.wfw/id-936-0/layout-PopupTabWide/item-ImageGalleryImage1317_14_4/measure-metric/tab-1317_14

Look at the images of the LR1100, it is a much more compact machine than the one pictured here, a LR1100 uses a much smaller track assembly.


Now will someone go find this machine and please go take a picture of the ID plate ont he side of the cab! Teeth

Gaz
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Posted: Friday, July 30, 2010 4:40:07 PM

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I also have to think that Its the LR 1130 , like Gaz said, the tracks seem way to big, i have trwled Kranlist/hansbube etc looking for a TP Kran 1100 but there doesnt seem to be one.

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jibtickler
Posted: Friday, July 30, 2010 5:50:44 PM
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Rather sheepishly i die.........Sad Anxious

i bow down to those far more superior than myslf the likes of my dear mate gaz and all those who said it is a LR1130. I wish to change sides of the fenceWhistle

i found a spec sheet. Its not the current LR1100, What threw it for me was the carbody counterweight. Whilst it shows 7.5te the dimesnsions on the new spec sheet didnt tie up with gaz''s van Marwick picture.

The spec sheet i have is for a 2004 LR1130 and it ties everything up. three engine bay doors, track frames identical. carbody counterweights of 7.5te long and thin (4.1m wide x 0.3m thick) rather thatn the smaller thicker front block (1.6m x 0.8m)

if anyone wants a copy of the older spec sheet to do their own concluding please pm me. its about 6.5 meg in size

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Gaz
Posted: Friday, July 30, 2010 6:01:59 PM

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The Text message admitting defeat was a good touch my man Cool Whistle Teeth

When I was on my LTM1080 i used to de-rig the Weldex LR1130's and 1160's all the time, at least 3 or 4 times a month so got a visual print of what they looked like, this kind of gave me a edge Angel

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