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GuyM
Posted: Friday, November 08, 2019 10:09:20 AM
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Paul,

I shot that Ashley Liebherr LTM 1800 with backmast in Aberdeen harbor (Scotland) late nineties:



I don't think that Ashley exist any longer: do you know where has this crane gone?

Regards.
Guy
GuyM
Posted: Friday, November 08, 2019 10:24:22 AM
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Paul,

Don't search for the crane new assignment anymore: I found 2 other pictures of it shot on the same day at the same place, which "clearly" show a "S 545 MRS" plate:





Same plate than the Baldwins crane modeled by YCC: the Ashley crane has gone to Baldwins!

Regards.
Guy
JohnGalt
Posted: Friday, November 08, 2019 6:21:15 PM

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Guy,
Thanks for posting those pictures! The crane is always magnificent when it's fully built up, and even without the luffing jib. That Ashley livery is great, and unfortunate that it ended up being the primer for Baldwins' (bland) livery.
When I first saw the color, I was expecting to see "Seaforth" on the side. I had the privilege of seeing a 1:50 version of the Seaforth rig, and I think there may be a picture, or two, of it floating around the interwebs. Do you have any pictures of the 1:1?
Dave
Paul R
Posted: Friday, November 08, 2019 8:24:22 PM

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GuyM,
Thanks for those great photos and it has answered my main question.

So I think Ashley’s > Seaforth > Port Services(?) > Baldwin’s. This would be Baldwin’s 2nd LTM1800 with the first one being sold to Sarens in 2002 I think.

The Derrick for Baldwin’s still shows the old Ashley colours if you look close.

Paul R
GuyM
Posted: Saturday, November 09, 2019 5:00:30 AM
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Paul,

Going through my files, I found out that Baldwins had several LTM 1800:

1- generation 1 carrier cab-type:
- J 957 TCF,
- P 995 MTF,
- another(?) 1800 rigged as a 11000 crane







2- generation 2 carrier cab-type:
-S 545 MRS (ex-Ashley)



Top 2 pictures are issued from "Heavy Haulage & Abnormal Loads" books - D. Lee. Bottom ones were shot by me in Aberdeen harbor at the turn of the century.

I don't have any picture of the ex-Ashley crane in Seaforth livery before it went to Baldwins, sorry.

I hope this helps.
Guy
GuyM
Posted: Saturday, November 09, 2019 5:13:16 AM
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GuyM wrote:
[...]

1- generation 1 carrier cab-type:
- J 957 TCF,
- P 995 MTF,
- another(?) 1800 rigged as a 11000 crane [...]


The one I pictured in Aberdeen and P 995 MTF are the same: one can "clearly " on my picture shot in Aberdeen the "Baldwin" paint without a "S" on its superlift back frame:





Regards.
Guy

Paul R
Posted: Saturday, November 09, 2019 5:46:08 AM

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That’s really great Guy. I think that Baldwin’s had one of the first, if not the first LTM11000D?

Cheers,

Paul R
GuyM
Posted: Saturday, November 09, 2019 6:21:26 AM
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Paul,

I think that the LTM 11000D - with its derrick arrangement - was originally a pure Baldwins "upgrade", as it was never listed by Liebherr in their range, with only standard LTM 1800 and LG 1550 cranes being offered.

Guy
Don L
Posted: Friday, November 15, 2019 6:41:47 PM
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GuyM wrote:
Paul,

I shot that Ashley Liebherr LTM 1800 with backmast in Aberdeen harbor (Scotland) late nineties:



I don't think that Ashley exist any longer: do you know where has this crane gone?

Regards.
Guy



Whether Ashley still exists or not, that is a really awesome looking livery. Thanks for sharing.

Don
Don L
Posted: Friday, November 15, 2019 6:44:49 PM
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GuyM wrote:
Paul,

I think that the LTM 11000D - with its derrick arrangement - was originally a pure Baldwins "upgrade", as it was never listed by Liebherr in their range, with only standard LTM 1800 and LG 1550 cranes being offered.

Guy


So would that mean that the YCC Baldwin's LTM 11000D die cast model is really the same as the LTM 1800?

Probably should have asked Paul R that question as well (since he has the actual model). lol

Don

Paul R
Posted: Saturday, November 16, 2019 8:10:54 AM

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Don,
Yes it is. The LTM 11000D is more of a marketing thing but Baldwins were not the only ones to use this nomenclature.

Paul R
GuyM
Posted: Sunday, November 17, 2019 12:59:51 PM
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Paul R wrote:
Don,
Yes it is. The LTM 11000D is more of a marketing thing but Baldwins were not the only ones to use this nomenclature.

Paul R


Paul is right: other craneage companies have used the LTM 11000 "name" for the boom/derrick combination crane, such as Ainscough, Sarens, Anthony Crane Inc., just to name a few:



But for Liebherr that was still a LTM 1800 with a maximum load moment increased by 58.4% (4356Tm versus 2750Tm). Link to the Liebherr technical data sheet of the LTM 1800 equipped with a TD boom/derrick combination: http://www.liebherr-datasheets.dk/LTM/LTM1800_TPZ250a.6.97.pdf

Regards.
Guy
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