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DC Craneman
Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 10:51:32 AM
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The 9320s used a fabricated carbody as opposed to a cast carbody as used on the smaller 900s. Hence I would concurr that these are likely 9310s. There were 200 some 9310s built. The classic American colors were the yellow with black boom and carbody. Counterweights were sometimes yellow and sometimes black. Later, the black and white stripe was added. At that point the model number was placed in the stripe as opposed to in the American shield. Only at the very end under Terex did the white come into play.

The carriers on the earlier Americans were not built by American and hence varried by their manufacturer. They were supplied by Hendrickson, Crane Carrier and Pierce Pacific. In the early 70's American began building their own. Look for the model number in the grill of the carrier on the American built carriers. At the end some private carriers were again used. For instance the Maxim 9490 is on a Pierce Pacific carrier. This may have been due to size but also when American was broken up, the carrier plant was sold separately from the crane manufacturing. Note the successor to this plant, Tor, builds the carriers for the Manitowoc 2250T I believe. I am not sure of the relationship with Consolidated in Canada but their design closely parallels that of the Americans.

The other thing that happened was the existence of parallel 9400 and 9500 models in the truck cranes. The first 9510 built for McHugh had a Hendrickson carrier. These had the short high profile carriers. As things progressed the 9500s used the longer low profile carrier and the 9400s the short high carrier. This was unique to the 900 series. The 800 series truck machines used the American built carrier but had a house unique to the series and was not built as a crawler. The later small crawler used a different style operators cab spliced into the original house design that has square lines and a reverse slant window at the operators feet. Likewise, you will find some crawlers that were later placed on truck carriers and the reverse.

Hence I thoroughly understand Northwest's comment that they seem as if they were all customs. They just had more variants than their competitors. The McHugh 175 and 200 ton machines were on Hendrickson carriers. I've seen their larger machines and one was on the low profile American carrier. Some materials say McHugh had a 265 ton crawler and a 300 ton truck machine. If this is correct, they were specials or prototypes. The 300 was offered as a truck machine but I believe that Maxim in Pheonix may have the only one built when announced as a production offering. Likewise the 265 ton McHugh crawler had a counterweight stack more similar to the later 250 ton 9320 but with the cast carbody. I've often wondered if this was a misprint as the 165 ton 9299 was the big crawler at the time it appeared. There may have been more unique machines than we are aware of and back when some of these machines existed tipping was the critical factor as they were so stoutly built that one did not exceed their structural ratings.

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Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 11:39:29 AM
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Wow, i sincerely thank you DC craneman! i appreciate each sentence about American as it is my all time favorite company for crane works. I would like to see a picture of this McHugh 265 ton crawler, maybe it was a fantastic protoype between the 900 series and the early 11250 units? What about the 300 ton truck: i would love to see a picture of this machine!!! i am still impressed by the heavy Lima or P&H 300 ton TC and never thought that american developped this kind of TC.
The 9320 is really a beautiful machine, i saw one in the HEEREMA boat, in red colours, but the classical Yellow and black is the best combination. I always wanted to custom the crawler frame of my CCM 1/48 9310 and convert it as a 9320 but i'm so affraid to break something... i wish CCM continued their program and offered some 11320 machine, with of course the early narrow cab and the "small couterweight", not the late versions...
American cranes are definitely beautiful machines, with true "eyes pleasing lines", look at the house cab design of the 9310/9320 and a manitowoc 4100W, and compare the design of the couterweight, the gantry... these parts seems more thin, like "fragile" in American design, this is what i like in these machines: they seem fragile but are really powerful...
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Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 3:10:22 PM
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Sorry to disapoint people but after talking to Jimmy McHugh today the biggest crawler they owned was a 9310 and the largest truck was a 220 ton American . For heavy lifts they had a American Guy Derrick attachment . They had a 1100 series on rent for a year at a power house job but did not purchase it . They did have long booms and jibs on the rigs up to 600 ft .The heavy haul fleet had 2 250 ton Talbert Low Beds and a 150 ton beam along with a Trabosa Dolly system and 2 Cline Detroit powered tractors . Normal tractors were Autocars , Hendricksons and Fords all Detroit powered , thet even had a D-6 Cat dozer with a 6-71 N in it . The heavy boom tip was theirs and all NY , NJ, & Pa guys had cheater booms at 99 ft to avoid long boom rate !!! John
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Posted: Tuesday, June 29, 2010 4:06:54 PM

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Hi northwest

Are you already working on your 1:10 scale American ??? and if so please share some pics with us.
I think you will like this piture anyway

Regards Eef

Another great American post on DHS thanks to Plumber for starting this one Smile Smile .



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that 9490 looks nice, i havent seen any of maxims lattice truck cranes yet, great pics justin

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plumber
Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 12:38:17 AM

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Sweet looking pictures guys. I really like the 9310. Pretty clean old crane. Cool . I don't know what we would do without them. I don't know about the rest of the country but around here they are the true workhorses of the construction industry.
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Here are some otherpics of these Americans on this site














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DC Craneman
Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 9:20:55 AM
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The 9490 was the ultimate evolution of the 900 series truck crane at 300 tons and taking up to 350 feet of main boom plus 100 feet of jib. The unique feature of this model is the house jacks as originally introduced by Link Belt. Only problem was the American does not have a quick disconnect. It is hook and load rollers guys. I've seen this particular machine when new at Conexpo and about three years ago on a precast job in Pheonix.
northwest
Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:06:56 AM
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Thanks for all your pictures, i will contribute by my side as i am happy to talk about a big US name in cranes

here is a picture of what is in my opinion the most powerful and most beautiful RINGER crane:
this 9320 with its complete ringer attachment is a real beast!

DC Craneman
Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:19:07 AM
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Thanks to John on the McHugh data. I was always suspicious that the machine identified as a McHugh 265 ton crawler was a mistakenly identified 9299 at 165 tons. Or if you have fingers like I, a typo. The truck crane data is interesting as they were able to rent their larger American truck cranes against Tidewater's 300 ton P&H Truck machine to Crane Rental Co. Inc. here. One of those cranes noted a three hundred ton capacity availability lettered on it. This is what drove my remarks regarding the availability of the larger truck machine from McHugh. I've seen some weird production dates for the 9490. It is as if it preceeded the 250 ton which makes no sense. The trailer and truck information confirms what I knew other than for the existence of two of the 250 ton trailers.

For those not into large Americans, the 9490 in operating configuration weights 50 tons more than a Link Belt HC278. Only the Manitowoc 2250T is 6 to 10 tons heavier than the American. While difficult to move in many parts of the country, one can begin to appreciate the strength and stability of the big Americans and Manitowocs of this era in comparison to their competition.

It is also interesting to know that McHugh leased an 11000 series machine. Some of these were 450 ton lift cranes.

John, is correct in his McHugh tractor recap. I remember the Fords being single axles. The Autocars tractors replaced all but several of the Hendricksons in about 1973. The Hendricksons retained were the heaviest.

Nowthwest posted a picture of the 250 ton 9320 with "Ring Horse" attachment. This is another indication of where the American's went in capacity. Somewhere I have the literature on the tower attachment as well. American offered that as well in a configuration that went to 480 feet on this machine.

John, thank you for keeping me on my toes.
northwest
Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 10:23:40 AM
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[quote=eef7260]Hi northwest

Are you already working on your 1:10 scale American ??? and if so please share some pics with us.
I think you will like this piture anyway

Regards Eef

Another great American post on DHS thanks to Plumber for starting this one Smile Smile .

Hi EEF! yes i'am already working on my 1/10 th American 9320, i solved many problems but i am actually blocked at the level of "mini brakes" and "mini clutch " designs, really complicated at this scale, i want to reproduce something really accurate with true dragline functions, my goal is to make a 9320 with a cutter tool like the one used by Spie Fondations, the company where i work actually.
What is a cutter, here is a picture of one we sent in Dubai


I know that you EEF you built a wonderful 7260, wich HONESTLY inspirated me some years ago!! thank you again ! I know that you are a specialist in American crane, and i share this with you, i don't know exactly but i really love the American design, these are the best cranes for me, i have access to an enormous stock of photos of my actually job company, which used a wide fleet of american 900 series for foundations works, and i even found a photo of a big 11250 working for a strange 70's foundations work for a military project in Iraq , i will try to scan the old photo and show you this beautiful beast...
For you EEF, here are some pics of a very rare 7300 used until last year here in France:very close to a 7260 which is also one of my favorite American 700 series:

with the White Spie fondations colour (late 90's)



and with the original American paint scheme late 80's:





every photos showing a 9320 american or a 900 series with ringer attachment is welcome for my project
northwest
Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:10:25 AM
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See the evolution of cranes used here in France by my company Spie Foundations:

1985/1988 somewhere in Nigeria for a Dam project, a colleague gave me a CD photos as he know that i am collecting everything about our old Americans:



it is very rare to see an american used a slurry wall excavator, we sometimes use Pinguely, or Link Belt like Soletanche bachy which is our main competitor. I always thought that if Northwest 180-D or 190-D were avalible here in Europe, these incredible machines would have been appreciated by the foundations entreprises, but Northwest is a rare name outside of the USA... it was a shame...

2009/2010 in Dubai, a project where i am actually involved:



the Liebherr are good machines, but if i was the boss, i would have used good old American 900 series... i am said to be crazy but some here could understand me Wink seriously, this liebherr is a little "poor" ?
northwest
Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 11:17:53 AM
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to end my comments, tell me what you think:

i was tempted to convert in the future, once it is fully assembled, my 9320 as an hydraulic HOE:



Confused i finally abandoned this project and kept my original second machine on what i 'am focusing for 1/10 scale:



the house cab design of American would have give something really interesting in a Hoe configuration, but the crawler frame of a crane is not suitable for Hoe applications.
The only exception and the best US example is still the 100 DH northwest "convertible" as an incredible 1200-C crane.
DC Craneman
Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 2:26:14 PM
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I've also seen the Bucyrus Erie 22B converted back and forth between hoe and crane.
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Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 5:24:16 PM

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Hi northwest

First of all thanks for these pics , always great to see new ones.
Really looking forward to see more from your archive got some unique pics there .
I have got an feeling that i know this 7300 and i know where it came from.
Same machine ??? this one was sold from Holland to France somewhere in the 80's.

( p.s. I would keep my 9320 original , i really like the hoe id but nothing can beat a 9320 as a scalemodel , just my thoughts )

Regards Eef





And some pics to think about

( next 2 pics are not mine found them somewhere on the net so credits to original owner )





***Flickr American cranes group***3D printed crane parts at I.materialise

DC Craneman
Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:21:20 PM
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Note, the change in the operators compartment shape on the 7300. This is the final iteration of the American house shape on the 700 and smaller series. I am not aware of it being used on 800 trucks or any 900s.
eef7260
Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 6:23:54 PM

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And some pics from Americans that not everybody knows about.

First one is the 1400 steel erector , not many where made but i don't know how many.

Than the 1500 that only made it to the drawing board as far as i know.

And a 500 serie truck crane made in korea onder licence.

enjoy these special pics.

Eef







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Randal
Posted: Wednesday, June 30, 2010 7:02:29 PM
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WOW. More 1400 and 1500 information please. Those are interesting to say the least. Wonder where that 1400 is today?
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