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Great thread with some wonderful pics. Just as an aside - Lot 262 at the DHS auction is a CCM 9310. 
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I recognize the 1400 photo. There are many cranes in that picture if one looks close. They must have had fun putting it together in the space they had. I am guessing that this may have been at the Robert St. plant in St. Paul?
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the 1500 crane would have been a real beast if not only a drawing... only manitowoc produced something equivalent and actually owned by Sindorff.
The 1400 photo is probably from the very nice 80's American little salesman brochure, isn't it EEF?
DC Craneman, you are a true specialist in American crane and i thank you for all your informations, just one point, is it true that a part of American technology is alive through a maritime company named AmClyde?
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The answer to Northwests question is probably no although things get very convoluted.
Dominion Bridge in Canada during the 1950's had a joint venture with American Hoist and Derrick. The operation operated under Dominion Hoist and Shovel, a company it had launched in 1931. Dominion Bridge, a Canadian equivalent of the US Steel and American Bridge combination, further diversified into manufacturing as well as their historic steel and construction activities. Some of the companies it owned in the construction equipment arena included Bomag/Hypac in the compaction field.
In 1973 then operating as United Dominion Industries Ltd., they purchased Clyde Iron Works, manufacturers of the famed marine Whirley Cranes and purchased additional US holdings. They later spun of the original core steel and construction businesses and moved their headquarters to the United States and changed their name to AMCA International Inc. Their more notable construction equipment acquisition came in 1980 when they purchased Koering Company who owned obviously the Koering product and I believe the Lorain product at this point. The economic times of the mid 80's that damaged many of our old name equipment companies claimed their construction equipment operations which they were unable to sell. Hence these were shut down in 1986.
Northwest in the later 80's acquired the parts businesses of this operation as well as Bucyrus Erie construction products. I am uncertain of the exact details of the intellectual property transfers and naming rights that were sold. It is out of this nucleus that today's Terex arose. Late crane acquisitions included the remnants of Centry II, the P&H construction equipment spin off from P&H and American Crane, the spin off from American Hoist & Derrick, of the crane business. All of these spin offs were undercapitalized and struggling in markets like todays. The then owners of Northwest became the purchasers of the remaining property in distressed if not bankruptcy situations.
Through this mess the Clyde Whirley operations continued and the division became known as Amclyde in recognition of AMCA's ownership and not that of American Hoist or American Hoist.
The only piece of American that continues in some form of itself was Ohio Locomotive Cranes which was also was owned by American Hoist or merged with their locomotive crane operations. I believe that Jimmy McHugh and his son J.C. today periodically use their American knowledge and railroad experience to rebuild or overhaul some of these railroad cranes.
So the ultimate answer is in the end no. You could say that they are more closely related to Koering and Lorain. The former of these was never a player in the heavier crane market and the later focused more on mobile "Moto-Cranes" which never exceed 160 tons and is more noted for developing both the purchase built carrier and the original tower idea which was utilized by both American and Manitowoc in larger sizes. P&H lost out on the tower business as a settlement of cross lawsuits over the scissor outrigger designs (P&H got) and tower designs (Lorain got).
As a quick aside, the "Northwest" operation also acquired certain assets of the German IBH. IBH had acquired the Scotland based operations of Terex which had been part of Terex. GM due to anti-trust rulings after its acquisition of Euclid was forced to dispose of its US operations but could retain the European operations. Hence the Terex name was created to brand the ongoing operations.
Likewise it acquired Demag only after Manitowoc, who Demag's owners had courted several times, acquired Grove out of its failed management and venture capital purchase from Hanson PLC and resulting bankruptcy restructuring. Yes that is the same Hanson PLC that had or has Aggregate Industries her in the US. The larger Demag organization had been acquired for its telecomunications and electronics operations and the materials handling operations were extraneous to that ownership. This was more attractive to Manitowoc due to both US and EU anti-trust considerations with only Manitowoc boom trucks (Manitex) being spun off in favor of National to avoid issues. Also little know is that Grove attempted to acquire the portion or P&H that Centry II did only to be denied as too much industry consolidation only to have their arguments subsequently proven correct.
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Hi everyone talked to Jimmy McHugh again the biggest crawler they ran was a 11320 that was at the Salem powerhouse but not purchased only 1 1400 was made and and the 1500 was designed but not built . The 300 ton truck was a 9490 and unknown how many were made . The Trans World 400 was a AH&D design that was started by ex employees and finished by Chuck Cornell and not by Jakes as they would like you to believe !!! Before the move to Wilmington they were throwing out all the build books and Jimmy flew out rented a U-Haul and has them ,these books tell where all parts were purchased from . Wilmington now builds all the lattice booms for the US. Another piece of knowlege is Manitowoc hydraulic crane technology is from ex Northwest Eng engineers when laid off went there for a job see the M-250 is a cousin to the 1200 Northwest !!! MD Moody can build a new Northwest the had a 190 built 2 years ago .Manotowoc has the Lima rights when they bought Grove and the Grove 150 lattice is Lima with Grove Hydraulics. John
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John's comments are very intereting. Rick Gross, now in sales at Liebherr was part of the Clark Lima to Grove cross fertilization. He left as he was a lattice man in a then telescopic environment.
M. D. Moody was a significant dealer for American. The only other I know that was "special" was Crane and Machinery Inc. in the Chicago area under its founder, a former AH&D employee. That individual is responsible for some of the big fleet sales to Chicago Bridge and Iron that went overseas. Likewise he was responsible for the 900s that were modified for deep tunnel work. The machines are easily identified by drums that project above the top of the house. These allowed long multi-part falls into the drop shafts.
I knew that the TransWorld design was former American. My understand is that the handled American's mobilization and transport engineer was heavily involved in both the 125 built as an American and the SL400. Looking at the machinery decks, you can see the similarities. He also designed the trailer that is illustrated in the new west coast heavy hauling book belonging to Jake's. One of its applications was to haul the house and carbody of the 11320 together. I knew that the SL400 crane had been used by Cornell, then the power company and finally purchased by Jake's. Note TransWorld's offices were originally in the Minneapolis - St. Paul area. Yes it was former American folks. Cornell also used American's as was a dealer. They also were involved in the former Link Belt TG series tower machines. Same AH&D former folks I believe engineered the updates to those tower machines owned by Jake's.
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DC craneman, your aknowledge is very impressive, you should write a book about US crane history, the success would be granted! until now, we have access to interesting books relating US heavy dirt equipment (thanks toç Keith Haddock, Eric Orleman ...) but nothing really complete about the US crane industry, wich is in my opinion extremely interesting, perhaps the most intersting point in the Worl industry. Think that an important part of anything heavy in the world was in the past built thanks to big yellow or red US irons, ringer cranes ect
Abeautiful book was made about Marion by the Historical association, same thing should be created to honorate famous
names like American, Northwest ,Lima and Manitowoc.
A picture of the 300 ton American 9490 would be appreciated ! i never knew that American built such TC crane, i was convinced that only P&H and Lima broke the 300 tons limit in the 70's/80's.
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There is in this thread a picture of the Maxim owned American 9490 300 ton truck crane. It is in blue and white as opposed to American yellow and black or later white. I am suspicious that this may be the only one but I cannot confirm that.
I often wonder what would have happened if Amdura had not come into existence and American Hoist and Derrick had stuck more to the basics.
When at home this weekend, I'll post several titles that provide some excellent history and that are on my bookshelf.
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A couple updates and a correction. The American 9270, one of the original machines pictured herein was introduced about 1968 and was a 136 ton machine. The 9299 was introduced in 1964 at 165 tons. I've also been puzzled by references to the 9280 from those in the New York, New Jersey area but I found some history on it. It also was introduced in 1968 and built until 1973. My reference indicates that the base boom was 350 feet with a 150 ton machine. Hence it appears to be in part a down rated 9299 by 15 tons with an additional 50 foot section of main boom over the 9299 maximum option as part of a standard model. I also have read earlier in this forum that the 9280 had an offset turntable within cabody to facilitate the self erection of the long boom. It disappeared from production shortly after the 9310 was introduced in 1972. The 9310 was 225 tons and offered the 350 foot boom as an option. The 9320 did not come into play until at least ten years later. Production of the 9299, 9310 (or 9310A) and the 9320 all continued to 2000 with several going until the shutdown in 2002.
On the rubber side, the 9510 was introduced in 1968 at 175 tons and may have well been the 9299 house placed on the Hendrickson carrier. This was updated to the 9520 at 200 tons around 1970. When the 9310 crawler appeared, the truck machine became available as the 9530 at 220 tons or the 9460 at the same rating. Someone please correct me if the differences were not just that the 9530 used a low profile carrier while the 9460 did not.
The Northwest to Terex switch has an error in it. GM after being forced to divest of the Euclid heavy truck piece created Terex for the ongoing dozer, loader, pan business. It sold all but the Scotland piece to IBH. When IBM went bankrupt, they received it back through both debt held and union and government pressure. They then sold it to Northwest who earlier had acquired the Scotland based Terex operations. Northwest then did the flip with Terex becoming the parent and Northwest the subsidiary.
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Hi everybody northwest the 1400 picture is not from the very nice 80's American little salesman brochure i got a big photo of it that i scanned some time ago. However you made me very curiuous about this salesman brochure. DC Craneman you wrote about the new cab design of 7300 that you are not aware of it being used on 800 trucks or any 900s. Well me neither but they had at least plans or options for the 900 serie. Eef 
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DC Craneman wrote:... I am guessing that this may have been at the Robert St. plant in St. Paul? Yes. - Chris 
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The company I worked for before now had a 5300 with the "new" cab design. It took a minute to get use too the controls on the side, but the visibility when traveling was nice. I liked it!
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had to bring this gem back!
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PileDriving wrote:had to bring this gem back!
Justin Thank you, I somehow missed this on the first go around and I am glad to have the second chance to view it. Plumber nice photos of the two cranes in action.
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Quote:had to bring this gem back! Mystery crane American- A350CR Eef 
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Any other info on that model EFF? I cant find anything about it...
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Don't know if this was mentioned yet, but the American 1400 is currently in Panama City, FL working for an underwater cable company stevedoring large reels.
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Thanks for the coor.. CraneInn. Looks nice in blue/white "She's a Big girl ! " Here is some nice pics prior and the story behind her. Enjoy eeF a late Christmas present ! From (Gostr8r) photobucket he has the Kroll 10.000 and cool specs to. http://s1029.photobucket.com/user/gostr8r/library/The%201400%20American%20Steel%20Erector%20Crane#/user/gostr8r/library/The%201400%20American%20Steel%20Erector%20Crane?sort=6&page=1&_suid=138854225309307812159651482923Regards Chet
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Quote:Any other info on that model EFF? I cant find anything about it... Hi Justin A little to nothing , it's from an artist who lived in the same town where the last European American sales office was. My guess is that he got order to make artist impression about some ideas , but i think that is as far as it goes , no actual drawings where ever made. If you look closely you can see it must be between the famous 10320 ( http://tudl1321.home.xs4all.nl/index30.htm ) and the A1500HC period , which was later named the HC 100. So i think it's a sort of pre HC range and the number indicates it must be a 350T machine inspired on the 10320. Quote:Don't know if this was mentioned yet, but the American 1400 is currently in Panama City, FL Yep i did , but not much response then , i guess now is better timing. Thanks for bringing it up again. American 1400Quote:Here is some nice pics prior and the story behind her. Enjoy eeF a late Christmas present ! Veryyyyyyyyy nice thanks a lot for that link , that are the first decent photo's i have seen from this beast. I vague remember seen an ad from Fm Mafco that it was for sale very long time ago , i thought it was a pdf file , still regret i did not saved it then. But this makes my day thanks. If you look at the info it must be in Panama city since 1998 , it's been there all that time. Eef
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