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radish
Posted: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 4:54:28 AM

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bigcranes wrote:


I do have an Aussie truck question, I used to build alot of 1/25 scale truck models and I swore the Aussie trucks never ran an "alcoa" style wheel, at least I know on the drives. These trucks appear to have typical aluminum wheels all around?

Thanks, Mark


Years ago that statement would have been correct, because back then the cost of ally ten stud wheels was "bloody" outrageous, but along with most things, the price has came down.

The other reason for not using ten stud wheels, it was a pain in the ar$e to change ten stud wheels out on the side of a dusty dirt road, six spoke spiders were a lot easier and quicker to change, trust me, been there and done that. The roads have certainly improved and now the ten stud stuff is the main gear fitted to most new trucks, you can still get six spoke spiders, if you really want them.

Now most trucks have the same type of wheel fitted to the steer axle AS WELL AS the drive axles, it would be just plain stupid, to carry around TWO different types of spare wheels, eh, now wouldn't it ?
favco500
Posted: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 6:39:28 AM
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I agree with radish,the inner 10 stud can be a pain to get off if it's been on for awhile,spiders are much easier for a quick change on the side of the road,and yes most trucks now run the same wheels on both the truck and trailer so all you need in the short term is steer tyre on the spare,depending who you work for and how their rigs are set up,you might tow a 10 stud trailer one day and a spider the next,thus the hassle of what spares you need.
Gavin84w
Posted: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 7:50:46 AM

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I think we all woke up to the weight savings aswell, if you ever saw an early Drake 4x 8 swing wing float you would also see the same thing, it was built more solid than a battleship but i guess there reputation grew off the back of those early trailers and now with modern manufacturing techniques and the ability to FEA test stuff before it is even built there designs continue to evolve.
radish
Posted: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 9:02:00 AM

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Gavin84w wrote:
I think we all woke up to the weight savings aswell, if you ever saw an early Drake 4x 8 swing wing float you would also see the same thing, it was built more solid than a battleship but i guess there reputation grew off the back of those early trailers and now with modern manufacturing techniques and the ability to FEA test stuff before it is even built there designs continue to evolve.


Think you got that a bit wrong.

The reason that the early swing wings were so heavily made, was so that they could stand up to the punishment that was dished out to them. With NEANDATHAL drivers, bloody back braking B model Macks and other assorted ridgid suspension heaps of crud, plus $hitty rough dirt roads, they had to be built tough. The scallies were around, but not in any great numbers like today, so adding a bit of extra puddin' was very popular too, like about 80 tons fitted into the back of a 3 row of 8, yep, they sure could handle it.
Don't know how old you are, but I can remember when they were still made from that heavy sheet steel, the steel back then was only MILD STEEL plate, so you had to go heavy to withstand them cracking from the "abysmal roads" we had back then.

Strange, but there are some of that gear still hitting the roads today, say's something about how WELL they were built, eh.

Now along comes the lighter weight and stronger metals about the early 80's, so Drakie decides to build a light weight 4 row of 8, still had some bad roads then, Neandathal drivers were still alive and kicking and you can guess the result of that first attempt. A dash of too much puddin' and crashing and bashing over $hitty roads, Bingo, she starts to crack up. Took Drakie a couple of attempts at it before he got the weight down to what it is about today.

Just as all this was happening, Drakie decides that he can build a better module than the crap that was being brought into Aust from Europe, Commetto springs to mind real fast about here.

His first attempt was the 6 row of 8 self steering module, bloody marvelous bit of gear, could get it up to the dollar on a good down hill run and it would track like a roller coaster on rails, $hit you could go, stoppin' was a bit hairy. Now compare this with the crud from Europe that could only achieve 60 KPH and it would cut grass on both sides of the road at that frantic pace, wow, what a $hit box they were.

Today Drakie can produced modules of any combination that will out perform any other maker in the world, bold statement, I know, but I will stand by it.

For those that wish to have their eyes opened and be enlightened, please check out this site.

http://www.draketrailers.com/
Gavin84w
Posted: Wednesday, April 21, 2010 11:28:41 AM

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What bit did i get wrong?

I first remember these trailers behind Brambles Superliners, no ramps back then and no luxury Honda genny to hydraulically widen the float, just run it forward and yank on the brakes to widen it, reverse procedure to close it up all good untill it was twisted and bent!!

was OK for the dozers as the grousers would just grab and they would walk up the back although going over the balance point was a thrill!! make up dirt ramps for the rest.

These old Drakes were super solid in design, the ones with the really solid goosenecks.

Oh yeah, i have been playing around this stuff for 30 odd years
Remko
Posted: Monday, August 29, 2011 4:27:28 PM

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Kicking this topic back up. Just picked this baby up at the postoffice today and took a few quick photo's. Beautiful model, with great details, but much smaller than I had expected.











Compared to the Iveco Strator from WSI. Also Australian in origin.











Remko

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Quinella
Posted: Monday, August 29, 2011 6:38:06 PM

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Remko: I felt the same way. They are not only a little smaller than Sword trucks, they are lightweight. The detail is superb, but plastic. I like Sword trucks better, especially when it comes to price. But these are beautiful, highly detailed trucks. We don't have them here in USA that I have seen. Out West they would look great. CAW
BAH
Posted: Monday, August 29, 2011 8:22:43 PM
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Both the Sword and Drake models are made in the same factory.
Quinella
Posted: Monday, August 29, 2011 9:15:21 PM

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Yes TWH makes them. Hold one of each and see the difference. A Sword Pete is much heavier and mostly metal. The detail of a Pete is not as much, but they ain't far off. Still take a Sword Pete here. The trailers really aren't comparable given the design. The Drake is gorgeous, but not worth twice the Pete in my mind. Sorry. CAW
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