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DumpsterToy
Posted: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:52:09 PM
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When they break down a Cat 657 Scraper for transporting, do the bowl arms remain on the tractor or are they left attached to the bowl. I have disassembled a Norscot 657 to be hauled on two lowboys. I have seen KOKO move 637 scrapers on two loads but do not recall how they were seperated. Any help will be appericated. If I ever get educated enough to post some pictures, I have some interesting heavy haulers. I just put a ^57 Cat Scraper on nine axle Smith lowboy with a four axle Pete tractor. The seperated scrapers will be on the same display area.

Thanks for the help.
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fensoncontracting
Posted: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:54:26 PM

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Normally they are split at the arms on the bowl so the neck is with the tractor. I'll try to draw up a picture.
fensoncontracting
Posted: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:00:20 PM

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Hopefully this paints a better visual picture.



Of course other general pins are removed like on the bowl cylinders.
thundercrane
Posted: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:16:56 PM

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I don't know how they do it out east,but out west I have never seen a 657 transported in any other form than complete.Just my two cents guys.Later.
DumpsterToy
Posted: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:31:27 PM
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Thanks for the drawing. That is how I have it broken down. Where are you located. I have seen your web sight several time and I am amazed at the equipment your company has. Are you the company that was putting in either a water lune or a sewer line along Industrial Parkway in Marysville. Who ever it was had a large Liebherr back hoe on that job. Thanks again for the come back.

You westerners do have to put up with all the BS that the trucking industry does in Ohio. I drive a six axle Sterling dump truck and can only scale 69,000lbs legally. That equates to just over 20 ton payloads. Every government agency has portable scalesand they are on the road at all hours.
fensoncontracting
Posted: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:42:17 PM

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I am no company employee, I'm a student that is 15 years old. I live in Northwest Ohio, just a kid with big dreams in the industry who tries to stay on top of things.

If your talking about Beaver with what you said, yes they have a very impressive fleet of equipment. They are currently building the Marysville Upground Reservoir Project that has about 1,700,000 CY on it.
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Posted: Monday, March 31, 2008 11:51:51 PM

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I think there has only been 1 time I have seen a 657 broken apart for transport. Here is a photo of what I usually see.


From Kenny's amazing SoCalEarthmovers.com

If you haven't already, you should look through a friend of mine's site;

http://www.socalearthmovers.com/

He has some great 657 transport photos in there. Hey DumpsterToy Tr, any photos of your Norscot 657G move?

- Chris
princejo
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:53:53 AM

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So when they break the machine apart, and drop it off on site, what kind of machine is used to hold up the dead end of the machine and drag it off of the trailer? That's either a pretty good sized hoe or maybe a crane...? That doesn't make any sense. How do you poor bastards do it back east?!?
chessiegp39
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:12:05 AM
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princejo wrote:
So when they break the machine apart, and drop it off on site, what kind of machine is used to hold up the dead end of the machine and drag it off of the trailer? That's either a pretty good sized hoe or maybe a crane...? That doesn't make any sense. How do you poor bastards do it back east?!?


That is my question exactly. I live in NJ and I have never seen them cut apart. But then again I have never seen a 657. The largest that I have seen is a 637. I would be interested to see how they hold up the dead end's on the two pieces once they split it apart. Maybe Lil' Danny can find out some more info for us.
fensoncontracting
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:34:58 AM

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I've never actually seen it done, but it seems possible that they will put it on a lowboy full, then split it, next use the excavator to hold the neck up and slowly move it on to a closely waiting lowboy? That's my guess.

On the Marysville job I'm thinking you could possible be thinking of the Trunk Interceptor being installed by Super Excavators from Wisconsin. That is a $35,000,000 project, that's the best I can do for that job.

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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 9:58:24 AM
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There was an outft in Michigan that had a few 657Bs with coal bowls. If I remember correctly we have a member that works for them InsleyGuy. I Belive they would break the tractor away from the bowl, and acutally drove them onto a trailer. You have to be carefull not to stomp on the accel or brakes

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DumpsterToy
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:05:33 AM
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Thanks for all the replies. I have never seen a 657 taken apart to be hauled, but I have seen Kokosing Construction low boys transporting 637s on the Interstates. The tractors were loaded front first on the trailors. Did not see them loaded or unloaded.I have disassembled a Cat Dll and a Sennebogen 5500 and put them on heavy haulers. The D11 is on three trucks and the 5500 is on five.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:36:30 AM
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Ohio has to be the worst state in the nation to transport heavy equipment. When I worked at Performance Site Management we had to tear so much of our equipment down, what a pain. We had to take the hooks and bails off of our 627s. Had to drop the stick off our Komatsu Pc400s. Had pull the stick and counterweight off of out Cat 350. Blade and rippers off our D8N, Blade off our D8R. Thats not to say I didnt see the rules bent, along with some lowboys. Ive seen the 350 moved in one piece. Seen for pc 400s move in one piece many a time. Ive even followed the D8N with blade and rippers on it. Fun little trip around Columbus Ohio on I-270 during 5:30 pm traffic. My personal favorite, a cat 365BL. Loaded on a 50 ton lowboy. All it was missing was its stick and buckets. There was about 2 inches of track on the lowboy. Driver picked her up at Ohio Cat on the west side and booked it for the US23 area on the south end of CBUS. Teeth

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MichaelH
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:48:14 AM

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Nolan,
Can you get any pictures of Super X on that trunk line project? I've seen some of their work around Wis. but always like to see them in action. I wonder if they still run that large Koehring?? Good pics on their website. Thanks.

Mike

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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 11:52:54 AM

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Here in arizona we move 657 intact. We only remove the rear engine air
filter extension and the exhaust. We point it with tractor to front and away
we go....
DumpsterToy
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 1:29:27 PM
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Turbo,
Did you work for Perforance Excavating when they had an independent owner operator get caught bootlegging one of their big hoes from Dayton to Columbus on Sunday with no permits and greatly overweight. I was told the fine was something like $30,000.00 bucks. I was told he was very near to where he was to make the drop off and was caught by A trooper who was head of the truck weigh division of ths state police. As a dumptruck driver I can tell you the state of Ohio is the pits when it comes to overloading.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 2:00:34 PM
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That was before my time but ive heard the story. The hauler was moving the Komatsu Pc650-5, minus the counterweight stuck, quick coupler, and buckets. From what I hear he was on 33, about 2 miles from the shop. A piece of gravel fell off the tracks and hit the scale cops car. Pulled him over and thats where he got his ticket. The police officer wanted to impound the truck and machine. They could not find a big enough yard put the trailer and hoe in, so they sent it to Performances yard and held it in impound there. Performance was able to unload the 650 and take it in the shop for repairs. From what I heard the truck sat there for a week.

The 650 was always a pain to move. We didnt have a big trailer for it so we always hired someone to move it. We had a job in PA. Helped the driver load it up. Took him the good part of an afternoon. He didnt have it low enough. We told him what to do. He said, no that wont work, if we move it that way ill be over weight. So he chained her up and away he went. Stoped at the scales in Cambridge Oh, and the machine sat there for a week. He was over height, and over weight on an axle. Turns out the 650 needed to be about where we told him it needed to be. Everything was set up to finish moving it back to columbus, Sent a mechanic to help move the machine. State escort showed up. The machine wouldnt start, batteries had gone bad. The escort said, you got 5 minutes to get rolling. Didnt make it, he left. There the machine sat for another week. Last I heard they had sold the 650. They decided that the time the machine sat waiting for big jobs, and transport issues were too much. They just lease a big machine for the big dirt or deep pipe jobs.

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brendan2700
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 3:57:15 PM

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Your right turbo Anglin had I think between 4 and 6 657B coal bowls according to my Dad those machines didn't ever really see trailers Only when they were sold were they broken down

fensoncontracting
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 5:45:39 PM

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No pics of Super Excavators, never been down there, just info about it that's all. Very interesting about them, they got that big job down there, so 7 months later they decided to submit a bid for Marysville's Upground Reservoir. There bid was like $13,500,000, they came in far last, winner was $6,745,000. Now, to put that much markup in was it worth the time coming 15 hrs. to attend the pre bid meeting and put the bid together, or did someone just misinterpet the project to that extent?
DumpsterToy
Posted: Tuesday, April 01, 2008 8:19:54 PM
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Nolan,
If you have a second, I will send you some pictures of what I got done with splitting the 657. Drop me a note at dumpster221@msn.com.

Thanks,
Dave Somers
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